1600 Crossflow Gear Box Question

[scrap yard dog]

Does Anyone Know If A Pinto Gearbox Will Match Up With This And If It Will Whats Required To Do The Conversion Posting For A Mate

[eeb43]

bolts straight on

[scrap yard dog]

Hi Mark Thanks For That Do You Need To Change Anything Flywheel Etc Thanks Bryan

[eeb43]

you need a flywheel ans starter thet are compatible with each other otherwise it should be easy as the pinto box has a big enough bellhousing to take most flywheels

[scrap yard dog]

Thanks Mark Ill Pass It On

[kapri]

Plus you need to mix and match plate and cover of the correct size.

[Rossphotos]

Is it a 5-speed box from the back of a 1600 Pinto?
I fitted a 5-speed to the crossflow in my old Pop. The box bolts on but the splines are different (something like 27 spines instead of 22) so you need a clutch centre plate to match. They are fairly easy to find - try some of the parts dealer ads in Classic Ford or similar mags.

[scrap yard dog]

Thanks Guys

[Asbo]

yeah iv got a 5 speed pinto box behind a cross flow in my pop! bolted straight up just used a 1600 siera clutch plate (and thrust bearing i think - was a while ago) everything else is still cross flow - flywheel & starter etc. all bolts up easy.

[kapri]

yeah iv got a 5 speed pinto box behind a cross flow in my pop! bolted straight up just used a 1600 siera clutch plate (and thrust bearing i think - was a while ago) everything else is still cross flow - flywheel & starter etc. all bolts up easy.

Other way round, he wants to fit a Pinto BOX to a crossflow engine , presumably a 5 speed.

[Captain Scarlet]

Other way round, he wants to fit a Pinto BOX to a crossflow engine , presumably a 5 speed.
You sure Kev ? isn't that what Asbo said ?
Is this a specsavers moment LOL
Harry Worth ;)

[Asbo]

Other way round, he wants to fit a Pinto BOX to a crossflow engine , presumably a 5 speed.


mine is a pinto box on a crossflow engine kev.......... is my post unclear?

[junkyardgenius]

Other way round, he wants to fit a Pinto BOX to a crossflow engine , presumably a 5 speed.:eek:
I ain,t the brightest but isn,t that what Asbo said?I know it,s what he did ,cause I was there.

[Captain Scarlet]

LOL,we must try to remember that Kev probably reads more posts than any of us,and in a short space of time so i guess we should let him off eh ! maybe he read it fast and just picked up on a few key words,eh Kev ?;)
I know i have done it myself a few times.
Al Pachino

[Asbo]

just make sure your trans tunnel is big enough because the 5 speed is fair bit bigger - had to modify mine when i changed to a pinto box.

[kapri]

mine is a pinto box on a crossflow engine kev.......... is my post unclear?


Nope ...but my eyesight is ! Apologies :D

Like Ian said, we have to read every post in every forum and I was tryng to remain helpful while doing it.:o

[Stooby]

I've had a whole lot of trouble mating a type E pinto box to a pre crossflow, I had to fabricate a hydraulic arm to fit in my bellhousing as the original arm & bellhousing was cable & worked from the other side.
Hopefully you won't have these probs :confused:
Clutch wise I used a 190mm pinto driveplate (23 spline, 1" dia.) with a standard pinto cover & bearing.

[kapri]

I was going to post earlier about cable or hydraulic. If wanting to use hydraulic clutch you need a Mk 2 Cortina bellhousing with the large slave together with matching master cylinder and nice red pipe.

[chaley]

I was going to post earlier about cable or hydraulic. If wanting to use hydraulic clutch you need a Mk 2 Cortina bellhousing with the large slave together with matching master cylinder and nice red pipe.
And remember to undo the red pipe when taking the engine and box out of an anglia with a mate and a length of scaff pole on a slope in the rain:o
Chaley

[105e van]

neil at 105speed.com do a clutch kit for this conversion....stu

[scrap yard dog]

thanks all im sure simon has read all this and it will answer all his questions many thanks

[Captain Scarlet]

All good info,i may need it if i change the 4spd out of the Thames van.
Guy Fawkes

[Alcoholic Rat]

ISN't the prop spline different.

[Stooby]

ISN't the prop spline different.

Yes which is why:


neil at 105speed.com do a clutch kit for this conversion....stuis incorrect. Neils conversion is for a crossflow box, not a pinto box.

You need a pinto clutch on a crossflow arm which requires some fabrication... well it did in my case running a hydraulic clutch in an Anglia bellhousing on a type E box, mated to a pre crossflow.

[kapri]

Anglia bellhousing is not suitable as it will only take the small clutch slave which will only work PROPERLY with a coil spring clutch not a diaphragm . You can bleed it through and it will clear etc but there is no progression with the pedal being like an on/ off switch.

That's why you need the crossflow Mk2 Cortina bellhousing ( not the earlier 1300 /1500 Mk 2 non crossflow model they built for 18 months ). The slave / master cylinder /pipe used is the same as in the V4 Corsair but the V4 bellhousing won't bolt up.

(Answer guaranteed Google free ,hands on ,but SAGA influenced, only :) )

[105e van]

is it a 4spd or 5spd box he`s fitting and cable or hydraulic operated?

[scrap yard dog]

its a 5 speed cable box
kev its for sideways old mk 1 cor blimey

[john56]

I have type 9 5 speed mated to a crossflow in my pop. I think it needs a 23 spline plate. i bought a complete clutch assembly from retro ford. I didn't think a standard clutch plate with 23 splines of the right diameter was available ? I was told they have the 23 spline plate made to suit. I have cable operation on mine, but retro ford also do a shaft mounted slave cylinder (fits inside the bellhousing) that acts axially on the clutch (think it may be off one of the fwd fords).

[Asbo]

I have type 9 5 speed mated to a crossflow in my pop. I think it needs a 23 spline plate. i bought a complete clutch assembly from retro ford. I didn't think a standard clutch plate with 23 splines of the right diameter was available ? I was told they have the 23 spline plate made to suit. I have cable operation on mine, but retro ford also do a shaft mounted slave cylinder (fits inside the bellhousing) that acts axially on the clutch (think it may be off one of the fwd fords).


I just used a 1600 siera clutch plate and the cross flow cover. works ok.

[105e van]

found this on 105speed forum
http://105speed.hyperboards.com/index.php?action=view_topic&topic_id=3758
hope the link works.

also think that the splines differ on the 1.6,2.0 and 2.8 5spd boxes,maybe kev can confirm if i`m right or wrong....stu

[kapri]

Long time for me on that one Stu:) I know the 1.6 and 2.0 propshaft splines are different, from memory 2.0 manual fits 2.0 auto but the 1600 won't so they are obviously different , don't know about the 2.8.

[Stooby]

Not sure on plate diameters but crossflow is 7/8" 20 spline & Pinto is 1" 23 spline.

[Rossphotos]

I found the details of this conversion (5-speed Type 9 Sierra gearbox to Crossflow engine) which I had saved after I converted my old Pop. Most points have been covered but just in case anything has been missed here it is in full:

Gearbox required is the Type 9 which looks just like a 4-speed crossflow box but longer with an added section about 1.5" wide, sandwiched between the gear casing and the tailshaft. The box bolts straight on but the splines on the tailshaft are different and the gearbox is slightly longer so a modified shorter propshaft is needed. The gearlever emerges about an inch further to the rear of the car and if fitting in an Escort or similar, will no longer be in the centre of the hole, although this should not cause any problems. The speedo cable connects about 4" further to the rear but there is usually enough slack available to reach, otherwise a company like Speedy Cables can make up a new, longer cable. The gearbox mounting plate may not line up but in my case it was easy to reverse the plate front to back and drill new holes to suit. The gearbox input shaft has 23 splines instead of 20, so a replacement 7.5" clutch will also be required (ford part number 5010151) although I have heard that a Sierra clutch will work.

Was the conversion worth it? Most definately! The mileage on my Pop went from 35mpg to 38mpg on a run, but more importantly high speed cruising became much more relaxing and quieter. The gearbox itself is not as slick as a four speed but the benefits outway the costs.

[scrap yard dog]

To Every One Ho Has Posted On This Many Thanks On Behalf Of Simon Who Realy Needs To Sign Up And Do This Himself As I Know Hes Reading All The Postings