Should 'Cars of Yesteryear' alway look the same???

[The Candy Man]

Just noticed in another thread that 'Revenge' is possibly not liked as much in it's new colour or even to the point of it shouldn't even be in a new colour at all! So my question to you is... Should an old well known Hotrod, something that is part of our 'history', should it be restored to it's original build status or should the new owner be allowed put his mark on it?
Now let's keep this all friendly guys, just remember that people own these cars and feelings are easily hurt when talking about their pride and joy.
Personally I've owned a few old show cars and I've put my own twist on all of them, especially Nick Butlers old 'Vitamin T'. I reckon you would have to really know the old car to know what it is now, I paid the previous owner for it and as far as I'm concerned I can do what I want with it. If someone wants to change the car totally or restore it exactly then surely that's up to the owner. I'm sure every old Hotrod has changed in some shape or form. Vitamin T is still there underneath, it still is Nick's old car, it just looks different. If somebody wants to restore it back to it's original state then come and see me and bring your cheque book with you (are you looking in Mo?), otherwise I'll get started again on it this winter.
I brought this subject up because I've noticed a few times on the message board and also overheard at runs that it's 'wrong' to change from the original look. If for example 'Henry Hirise' or 'Belcher's V12 T' reappeared in a different colour, along with other modifications; would it really be so wrong? I'd be interested what anyone looking in from the states has to say on the subject as their history goes back alot further than ours and at times we tend to reproduce some of their older historic hotrods. I can think of lots of our cars that have been changed over the years, 'Hot 'n' Bothered', 'Rubellion', Miss D'meanor' etc to name a few. What's your take on it?
Nothing I've said is a dig at anybodies views, it's just my opinion for what it's worth, so think on... keep it friendly?

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[highwayman]

Whats to say the original owner/biulder wound'nt have changed it if they had kept it any way, so long as it keeps it on the road. If you own it you can do what you like to it, but it is nice to see them as they were
steve

[Paul]

as the price of "historic" rods rockets in the US the argument for restoration gets stronger...Rods, Kustoms and race cars though, by their very nature will have had several guises over the years, different paint, engines, etc so at which point do you restore to?? The original build?...the final build? or some place in the middle?......or do you just do your own thing......
many "historic" cars feature chicken **** welding, bad suspension geometry and an over all bad build (the actual original build quality of the Hirohata merc, for example left a lot to be desired) so do you re-do it to a better level and fix the faults or stick with what you have?
lots of cars are over restored and loose the original feel they once had....you would never want to restore Ed Iskenderans T to concors standard it's just right as it is...
just how much of the original car is left is a biggie too....didn't some guy sell a racing bently a few years ago as the original, significant car when in fact 90% of it didn't actually come from that car...Rubellion could be a similar case just how much is from the 70s car...just the body.....body and frame.....or just a wheel nut....personally I think the current build is the best looking and would stick with it rather than try to go back!
For me it depends on what car it was and just how significant it is...
Moulin Rouge, for example is a car that had a big impact on me and I would restore that to it's original state as that's how it looked best (in my opinion!)
Henry Hirise...very significant car (in my opinion!) but poss only because it seemed to disappear...
Revenge...massivley significant..should be restored...much like Andromeda.....but neither cars are mine and I don't know if I would like to own either...
At the end of the day it's up to whoever owns the car.....much like to rod or restore a barn find stock 32, 3 window!!!

[Captain Scarlet]

Interesting thread,its a tricky one Mick,i guess it depends on how good/sucsesfull the car was in its day,and how well the remake-over is done.to take it to an extreme, if someone were to alter an early historic hot rod it may not go down well.
I guess a simpathetic makeover can be done wrong as much as a new built car,but we all like to see a bit of nostalgia don't we,
don't we ,
oh!
Eric Idle

[roverod]

There's an interesting leader in Hotrod this month about this and as the guy says Hotrodding is about evolving, if you want it to stay the same become a restorer.

[MisteR Tee]

I think we're all guilty of looking at old, well-known cars through rose-tinted glasses. We only remember the good bits, whereas, in probability the original build can now be improved upon significantly, usually because of advances in technology & availability of improved parts. Don't forget that a lot of these "historic" cars were built in the 70s when there wasn't the availability of parts & new technology.

A good case in point in the Coffee Grinder, when Dave Haskell was asked to restore it, he had to decide which spec he restore it to, as it had been in several different guises previously. We don't have the luxury of a vast number of old show-worthy cars that need restoring or preserving, neither do we have the fortunate people with the means & opportunity to be able to either restore them or commission their restoration. I'm sure we would all like our current/favourite cars to be kept in their present condition, but praticalities & tastes do come into ownership of these icons. Besides, who knows what a re-creation will turn out to be, look at Coyd Boddington's (Hans Peter Wurmli) '32 roadster now compared to what it looked like when he bought.

However, I'm pleased to say that my old Mk1 Consul has been restored back to its original glory by its current owner over in Jersey & looks fantastic!

[Truxdelux]

Once a car has a new owner, they should do as they wish. IT'S HIS/HER CAR.

[randrhotrodimports]

Having been lucky enough to have rebuilt Small Fry in 1987 i would say if i could afforded the Regal Blue Candy and stunningly inticate stripping then thats the way i would have gone with her.
As it was she ended up Ford Azure blue, which still looked good.
So yes i prefer the old show cars looking how they did in there Hey Days, just my opinion.

[Fatguyz]

upto the owner.

If it gets built as original, people will moan thats its dated, if it gets rebuilt in a new style, people will moan that a classic has been lost.

Be happy with the fact that some of these famous cars are still around and being used.

FG:cool:

[Knowledge]

I liked Revenge as it was and loved the black and gold leaf. BUT if you tried to redo it I bet it wouldn't be quite the same. Also fassion changes and what was a great colour and patern in the 70's may look dated in the noughties. The new owner isn't changing the car he's 'Updating' it. Also let's remember that those old paints might not be available even at a price now. Rodding is an evolving thing not a restoration thing. Otherwise all the cars we build would be T or A bodies on 32 rails with rod brakes and enamel paint pinstripes over a hand brushed body just as it was in the 50's. I for one will be looking forward to seeing Revenge out there where it belongs on the road, along with any other 'Old' cars. As for the way they looked, well we have photo's don't we?

[The Candy Man]

My take on this actually is, (sitting firmly on the fence) I like both sides of the discussion. 'Rubellion' was mentioned earlier, being a firm favourite of the 70's and 80's rodding styles I prefer the earlier version, as recalling seeing the car and others at Bell Vue, Alley Pally etc is what got me into this hobby in the first place.
Other's such as 'Baldy's HA van, great to see it as original. 'Hot 'n' Bothered', either version looks good. 'Al's gasser', couldn't imagine it in any other style than the original look, where as 'Speed Freak', I would love to see it finished in its early gasser guise rather than the pro-street look it has at the moment.
I think the point is, that you can do whatever you want to these vehicles and if somewhere down the line another future owner wants to restore it to anyone of it's previous looks, then that's up to him.
I personally like the idea of a hotrod or custom etc, which could have been built about 30yrs ago, still out cruising the roads after all that time, however it looks. My current ride of the XFB 9T, B roadster was built originally in '78, a change from the Daimler V8 to a Chevy V8 and track rod ends to rose joints on the front end, is all really that has changed over the years and clocks up loads of miles reliably, although when I rebuild it sometime, I'm thinking of going more towards it's original look once more.
Isn't all topics discussed such as this, along with 'friendly' opinions and viewpoints, that makes this the best pastime you could ever be involved in!

NEWS JUST IN... Paul Kennedy has taken the '33 Willys body off his famous gasser and replaced it with a fiberglass Skoda Estelle! (Lol) I guess he could if he really wanted to.

[novanut64]

mister tee any chance of some photos of the consul i know charlie taylor and think he would like to see his old ride

[D COUPE]

Its evolution!!

[drag914]

Here's my opinion:

I'm a great believer in personal freedom.

I'll fight tooth and nail for my right to chop up, repaint and modify any car that I own in any way that I choose. I'll also fight tooth and nail for everybody else's right to tell me that I'm an absolute f*****g d***head for doing it!

Like I said: personal freedom. I'm free to do it. You're free to tell me what you think and I'm free to ignore what you say!

;-)

That said - I love to see original rods just as they were when I was a kid, trudging around Custom Car shows on my little 5 yr old legs!

[KimLeonard]

Having been lucky enough to have rebuilt Small Fry in 1987 i would say if i could afforded the Regal Blue Candy and stunningly inticate stripping then thats the way i would have gone with her.
As it was she ended up Ford Azure blue, which still looked good.
So yes i prefer the old show cars looking how they did in there Hey Days, just my opinion.

Holy s*it Russ, you had 'Small Fry' ?.........you must have bought that off my mate Dave Bridges then. We picked it up from John in Wales and a mile from home took it off the trailer and laid some rubber.
I nearly cried when Dave started pulling the car apart and began sanding down that paint (damn, I think I even helped with that, sob). I begged him not to do it but he said that as much as he liked it he needed to put 'his' stamp on it otherwise it would always be viewed as Matt's car and not his..
I'm not sure I could have done it.
I can see what some of you are saying about improving the car but I see it like Grade listed buildings. Those old windows arent very good so lets put in double glazing. How many victorian doors and fireplaces have been ripped out of buildings and lost forever. Are you improving it or destroying the fabric of the building ?......its the same thing with rods.
Some of these cars ARE icons and need to stay the same, its part of the UK rodding history. If the original build has say, bad welding, then yes that should be fixed. However to say that we have better technology now and because of that it should be updated doesnt hold true when so many people are fitting beam axles and drum brakes to their 'new' built rods.....and why is that, cause they want to copy the passed.
If you buy an 'icon' and you cant live with it the way it is and need to change it then you dont really 'love' that car . Maybe it would be better just to build a car the way 'you want it' and save that bit of history.
I really wanted to own 'Hot n Bothered', I even had the chance when Barry George offered it to me but I didnt have the money. If I had bought it I would'nt have changed it.
Friend of mine is in touch with someone that owns Baldy's old Viva/Bedford van 'Short Cut' and he is putting it back to original (even has met up with Baldy to get the details right).
The fact that in the USA there is so much fuss about saving some of those early 'stars' makes me think that we should doing the same here before its too late.
Thats just MY view and I dont want to upset anyone who has got one of those rods and made changes, because yes it is your car now and you can do what you want with it.......but I wouldnt !
Now where the hell is that 'Moondust' pop ???

[randrhotrodimports]

Well Kim aint that a small world, picked the Fry up from his garage in Sandy, Bedford, and yes rubbing the remainder of that black paint off was a killer, revealing though the beautiful candies beneath.
Have to catch up again sometime, i have someinteresting pics of the Fry in bits, might bring back some memories for you.
Russ
The rest of what your saying is completely right in my book mate.

Holy s*it Russ, you had 'Small Fry' ?.........you must have bought that off my mate Dave Bridges then. We picked it up from John in Wales and a mile from home took it off the trailer and laid some rubber.
I nearly cried when Dave started pulling the car apart and began sanding down that paint (damn, I think I even helped with that, sob). I begged him not to do it but he said that as much as he liked it he needed to put 'his' stamp on it otherwise it would always be viewed as Matt's car and not his..
I'm not sure I could have done it.
I can see what some of you are saying about improving the car but I see it like Grade listed buildings. Those old windows arent very good so lets put in double glazing. How many victorian doors and fireplaces have been ripped out of buildings and lost forever. Are you improving it or destroying the fabric of the building ?......its the same thing with rods.
Some of these cars ARE icons and need to stay the same, its part of the UK rodding history. If the original build has say, bad welding, then yes that should be fixed. However to say that we have better technology now and because of that it should be updated doesnt hold true when so many people are fitting beam axles and drum brakes to their 'new' built rods.....and why is that, cause they want to copy the passed.
If you buy an 'icon' and you cant live with it the way it is and need to change it then you dont really 'love' that car . Maybe it would be better just to build a car the way 'you want it' and save that bit of history.
I really wanted to own 'Hot n Bothered', I even had the chance when Barry George offered it to me but I didnt have the money. If I had bought it I would'nt have changed it.
Friend of mine is in touch with someone that owns Baldy's old Viva/Bedford van 'Short Cut' and he is putting it back to original (even has met up with Baldy to get the details right).
The fact that in the USA there is so much fuss about saving some of those early 'stars' makes me think that we should doing the same here before its too late.
Thats just MY view and I dont want to upset anyone who has got one of those rods and made changes, because yes it is your car now and you can do what you want with it.......but I wouldnt !
Now where the hell is that 'Moondust' pop ???

[The Candy Man]

Are you the same 'Kim Leonard' that used to own the B Delivery called 'Happy Home Bakery'? If so, where is that gorgeous car and if you owned it now would you change anything?

Just been thinking about another 'historic' ride, 'Pinball Wizard', just love that car. How many paint jobs has that had and which one would you choose? Also, the Rutherfords '34 roadster, before or after the fenders were fitted? Me personally... after!

[KimLeonard]

<rubbing the remainder of that black paint off was a killer, revealing though the beautiful candies beneath>

Russ, it wasnt black, it was a dark candy blue, but certainly looked black to me. I'm still to this day giving Dave s*it about pulling 'Small Fry' apart.(emailed him last month and mentioned it again, lol)

[randrhotrodimports]

Bizzare certainly looked black to me lol.

<rubbing the remainder of that black paint off was a killer, revealing though the beautiful candies beneath>

Russ, it wasnt black, it was a dark candy blue, but certainly looked black to me. I'm still to this day giving Dave s*it about pulling 'Small Fry' apart.(emailed him last month and mentioned it again, lol)

[KimLeonard]

Hi Mick, yep I owned and built 'Happy Home Bakery' '32 Delivery. I sold it to a kid in Jersey (the island) and no one ever saw it again. I checked on the dvla and its not taxed nor sorn, wonder if it is no more (sad).
If I still had it I would change those crap wire basket wheels but thats about all. However (predicting your come back here, lol) my car wasnt an icon or maybe it was to some, thou doubt it.
I think the cars that I call icons are those that inspired a lot of people to get into this sport/hobby or if not inspired, then gave them the push to say that 'you can do that'.
Something that was a constant trophy winner, had a big feature in CC, the sort of car that when it pulled into a show everyone flocked to it.......it, in its self was a star !
I dont think that there are were more then a couple of dozen or so (if that) that would be worthy of being called that.
If I won big on the lottery I would buy all those cars and restore them and put them in a museum somewhere.
I have a friend who is in contact with a VERY rich guy who lives in the UK and is collecting and restoring as many as poss' of the 'Roth' cars before 'they' are gone.

[The Candy Man]

Kim, although your delivery was not maybe to some a 'star', it was to me and I guess others. The colour, the lettering and stance of that car was absolutely perfect in my opinion. I recall seeing it at numerous runs years ago and especially at the Doncaster show, where I live. There were a few cars at that time, that folk would sit up and take notice of when they arrived and 'Happy Home Bakery' sure was one of them.
Would I change anything on it if I were the owner? I don't really know, but I sure would like the chance to make up my mind if I ever owned it. Great rod!

Why is it that on this topic, that certain 'historic' cars you can get away with altering and others appears to be a definite no? I'd love to stand at the side of 'Vitamin T', while remaining invisable, to listen to the comments when that eventually hits the road again, surely would be interesting to me if no one else.
Speaking to Nick Butler a while ago, he said... "as long as it stays the same because it always was a pretty little car", ooops, sorry Nick!

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[KimLeonard]

oh, gee, thanks Mick, I'm all a blushing now !!

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[Truxdelux]

Wot mick says!!

[lennon]

Now then Mick

When me and Dc bought the Wisbech Y, every one told us to restore back to the original, but to be honest if you do that we thought that the car looked too old and out of touch!

Some of the parts on the Y from 30 years ago, where dare I say very tractorish!! new word!!

Anyway on completion of the Y, in its two tone look, I have got to say looked very fresh and upto date although a great deal of work.

The car sold for good money, and with the help of Dc got me what I would consider further on and into the rodding scene.

I love the Pop and have made loads of changers so really like you said everyone to there own and I agree with the quote earlier.. Rodding a car should keep evolving..

Lennon

[Adam]

Like Mick says you pay the money it's your car to do as you wish. But saying that I would be very sad to see some cars changed beyond recognition. I feel that if you buy a famous (for want of a better word) vehicle sometimes with it come a responsibility to preserve what you have. Pinball Wizard although changed a little is still recognisable as what it was. Mr Torquer as well. Not dated and still looking good now although it's present guise is not the original but it's the one best remembered. A difficult choice to make when you buy a car. If it needs a complete resto why do it to 1970's standards and parts when there are much better parts and techniques that can be used today.

I have the ex Gary's Shack '57 Chevy. From the outside it looks like it has had a new set of wheels but almost every single component has been changed or modified but then previous owners had done the same. Is it the same car? Does it matter? it will always be the ex Gary's Shack car whatever is done to it as thats what it's know as.

[AL]

Can I ask you all a favour please? I've just seen this thread & would love to read it but I'm just off out the back to lay the final bit of garage base. Can you all please make sure it doesn't kick off on here so it gets deleted for the next few hours, thanks.

[Neil G]

It is good to see some old cars looking the same,but if it's yours you can do what the hell you like with it!!!
Other wise we wouldn't be rodders we'd be restorers:D

[Brizey]

You have to remember these so called "famous show cars" were`nt built famous, they only became that way because of their `later in life` iconic value.
When they were built, they were just another show car. Built that way by their owner/builder because that`s what they wanted from their rod.
For history`s sake, I`d like to see them restored to their former glory. But, when all is said and done, the new owners are doing exactly the same as the original builders and creating a look to their own liking...

[KimLeonard]

I know of a guy in the States that has a 32 coupe that was built in '71 to look like a 60's rod. When he got it he fresh'en it up with new paint and re-chromed some stuff but kept it all the way it was when originally built.
Now he's thinking of putting in a Heidt's IFS, repainting it in a 2-tone colour, and putting on some Chip Foose wheels as the car looks a bit 'dated' now.....should he do it ??.........personally I wouldnt.......




........but then I dont own a **** yellow coupe that was in a well known movie. :)

[MisteR Tee]

As has been mentioned before, there will always be the "oh, that's so-&-so's old car isn't it" syndrome, which can be very annoying to some people, but that is a fact of life. However, to some people, they are fresh cars they haven't seen before........
...sorry, I'm just trying to fill in here so Al can have a chance to get his foundation laid so he can come back to view this thread! Come on Al, hurry up, I can't keep this up for too long.

[MisteR Tee]

Speaking to Nick Butler a while ago, he said... "as long as it stays the same because it always was a pretty little car", ooops, sorry Nick!



I'm popping in to see Nick tomorrow Mick, shall I show him this pic???:D

He said to me a while ago that this was the only old car of his that he would have liked to have back!

[Pete Edwards]

Mick, My thoughts are if it was an "Historic" car in perfect condition then I don't think I would change it, but by the same score I would only have bought it if I really loved it in it's origional guise, if it's sad & neglected & needing a rebuild then it really is up to the owner wether it's updated or "restored" it's far better to save the car than it be lost! Whatever the owner decides to do the most important factor in my opinion is that it's put back on the road where it's meant to be!
Pete.

[MisteR Tee]

I do know that Vitamin T was changed quite a bit over the years & had been left neglected in a front garden for years before Barry George found it & bought it. It had a Pinto engine in it by then as well, so would you still regard it as the original car? I know I would have loved to have bought it when I looked at it in detail at Billing many years ago & probably would have put it back to how it was originally, but that's just my taste. Still, who knows what lays in store in the future, eh Mick???;););)

[Blackpopracing]

It is a tough question.
I (personally) think there a few cars that should remain as built (or at least look the same - even if altered a little).
These would include (off the top of my head);
Andromeda
Revenge
Roaring Rat
Henry Hirise
Rubellion
Richard Wale's Herald

There are probably more, but its an example.

To me these are so iconic that it would be criminal to alter them from their original look (note I said look, subtle updates are ok) as they are milestones in British rodding.

Having said that, Revenges new colours look good, and at least they are a similar colour to original, and best of all it will be on the road again.

[edd brown]

mick ,,,good topic.........as old show cars go i think its safe to say back in the day big a was the daddy next to revenge, and theres a lot of you out there who want to see the old cars back as they were ,,now andromeda was restored with a few changes and some still to come ,,,it has cost a small fortune to get where i am now , at one point i was being told every week by people i did,nt even know ,,its got to go back as it was ,,
i got so fed up withit ,,it nealy got painted black,..and one day it might just because
i can ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,edd

[Klunk]

Is Al still on his foundations? It must be dark by now. I never had him down as a grafter........looks can be deciving.

PS Ace thread.

Here's a curve ball, possibly for a different thread...what would be considered an iconic car of recent decades? Pete Tyas's 32? for example. In fact....I'm gonna start a new thread......Hold that thought.

[kapri]

He might be stuck in them ? Somebody better ring.

I saw Vitamin T for sale at an auctions at Good wood and good 15 years back at least. It had the Pinto in it and I even put a couple of bids in ( didn't have any money but there was a great atmosphere ) but the reserve was way too high for its condition so it didn't sell.

[BaronVonVVankel]

I know of a guy in the States that has a 32 coupe that was built in '71 to look like a 60's rod. When he got it he fresh'en it up with new paint and re-chromed some stuff but kept it all the way it was when originally built.
Now he's thinking of putting in a Heidt's IFS, repainting it in a 2-tone colour, and putting on some Chip Foose wheels as the car looks a bit 'dated' now.....should he do it ??.........personally I wouldnt.......
........but then I dont own a **** yellow coupe that was in a well known movie. :)

OMG! i hope youre jokeing! :( That would be just so wrong.
And Edd... i really hope you dont ever change the paint on Andromeda.
With most cars its perfectly ok to change it to how you want it but i think there are a few 'Icons' that should be preserved. Personally i would have prefered to see Revenge repainted as it was (just my opinion for what its not worth).

[hurnleft]

Anyone can restore an old car, but it takes a rodder to cut one about and make it better. Surely that applies to any car if you own it.
I've owned lots of rods over the years, although never a famous old car, but I still like to see what changes a new owner makes.
Bob

[The Candy Man]

Funny thing about this is, when Eddie and I were talking about paint for Andromeda and Vitamin T a good while back; I actually said that there was no way he could even think about painting the T-bucket any other colour than the original paint sceme. He did mention black and I said it wouldn't be Andromeda without the 'bouncing ball' artwork (brilliant job by Kay Stapley) on the side, it was said I should concider my own comments about restoring old show cars after doing what I'd done to 'Vitamin T'! I honestly didn't realise what I was saying at the time and backed down to accepting it was Eddie's car and he could do to it whatever he wanted to.
I'm glad Eddie opted for the original look rather than any other option... me and Vitamin T, I did it for myself and look forward to the good and the bad comments when it eventually hits the roads again.

[ALAN S]

Mike
I only know that after my ownership of Andy's T for the second time in 1999 I could not bring myself to strip the Himsl paintwork, when I bought it back after 25years, I had to take off the garage name of Meteor, that had been put in place of Andys on the sides and front skuttle. We carfully stripped the painted names and had a guy put Andys back on as it was in gold leaf.
The other reason I could not change the paint was that I felt like a custodian of history with this car. This also became the reason why I sold it, I felt uneasy when I took the car out on the road because it could get damaged. Other people might think differently about this car but it was 70's history and intact with the story paintwork, not to everyones taste now, but I think back to when I owned it in 1975/6 and the way Rodding was then.
Personally I believe that you should do to your car what you wish, there are just the odd defining moments in time that should remain as they were first conceived and give us all an insight to how we were.
I know that Bruce who owns the car now keeps it wrapped in a bubble for protection, power to him I say, it's good to have people like him.

Alan

[edd brown]

allan you hit the nail ,right on the noggin.
itw the way i feel about andromeda
im just looking after her till some one else steps up to the line
,,,,,,,,edd

[Spence32]

allan you hit the nail ,right on the noggin.
itw the way i feel about andromeda
im just looking after her till some one else steps up to the line
,,,,,,,,edd


Edd, when you're ready to hand over the baton, let me know!

[edd brown]

Spence,

Ball park figure?

Edd

[Paul]

Spence,

Ball park figure?

Edd

3 quid, a stack of benos and a dead frog!!!! sorry it's all I have!..........

[Paul Y]

Talking of Nick's T that was owned at one time by Pete Malmsjo's Dad. They put the Pinto into it and I ended up buying the engine and gearbox to put in my 56.

Still got the engine but the B&M trick 350 was stolen out of the boot of my car back in the late 80's.

So... If anyone wants to restore it back to its original glory you know where to come!

P.:D

[Spence32]

Spence,

Ball park figure?

Edd

Probably more than I've got spare at the moment! LOL

[edd brown]

now thats what i love about you spence,,,,,,,,,you tease,,,,,,,,,,edd

[pikko]

When I bought Street Odyssey the original plan was go for a matallic blue. This was before I realised that I had a small but significant piece of rodding history in my garage. Admittedly the car had already changed almost beyond recognition by the time I'd got it (rear seat driving position had long gone, daimler hemi was now a 318 mopar, gaudy interior was ditched etc.) and it was really only by luck that I had the picture disc in an old record collection that got me on the quest for more history, but, once I'd realised what I did have I wanted it to be recognised again but just put my own mark on it. I'd still rather people referred to is as Street Odyssey than Pikkos pop as I'm sure that the fact that it will be back on the road in a similar guise to its 70s hue will be a lot more memorable to many and it goes without saying that I'm more than chuffed with whats in my garage. The only thing that some people have mentioned is that I should have put back 'gasser style' but personally I prefer that lower stance. On the whole though, I dont recall having any negative feedback as to the small changes I've made, and as mentioned earlier in this thread, its better to be on the road in any form than layed up dead!

[Russ]

allan you hit the nail ,right on the noggin.
itw the way i feel about andromeda
im just looking after her till some one else steps up to the line
,,,,,,,,edd

wheres the line start Ed ?
Russ

[edd brown]

you tell me ,,,rus,,,,,

[randrhotrodimports]

Now Ed how did you describle ANDROMEDA to my girlfriend today, was it Chitty Chitty Bang Bang with attitude lol.
you tell me ,,,rus,,,,,

[edd brown]

Dammm ,,right Edd

[randrhotrodimports]

Interior was similar mind Truley Scrumptious in fact.
Dammm ,,right Edd

[The Candy Man]

Copied this pic from the 'icon page'...Moulin Rouge, now that is one car I would love to see again. I've tried to find it on a couple of occassions but drew a blank. This picture is when I took the car to the NASC Bruntingthorpe Nats in 198?, to say the car was so low it pulled the caravan ok. It was in the 'John Brown Wheels' colours when I bought it, I painted over the silver because it was so badly cracked and marked, it put me on for the season before I pulled it apart and rebuilt it with fresh red paint and red tuck 'n' roll interior. while putting my own mark on the old show car. Although it wasn't restored to original, I thought that doing everything red would be more in common with it's name, the best bit was I just pealed off the black paint on the bulkhead to find the original mural underneath, this I kept for obvious reasons. I still think the car would hold it's own against anything out there today, the list of quality modifications made to the '35 Hillman Minx was endless. a massive 'pat on the back' to the original builder Bob Wellstead... Anybody know where it is?

http://usera.imagecave.com/TheCandyMan/Brunt857.jpg

[JC.]

A car should be built solely to the discretion of it's owner.
Do we build our cars to make other people happy or to make ourselves happy? I know which I do.

The owner of a car has the right to get their car crushed into a cube if he/she so desires irrespective of "historic importance" / other peoples opinion.

[BaronVonVVankel]

The owner of a car has the right to get their car crushed into a cube if he/she so desires irrespective of "historic importance" / other peoples opinion.

Legally, Yes... Morally, No. :(

[scottie]

if i was lucky enough to afford or come across a famous car i would have it as near original as poss

scottie

[AL]

.....a massive 'pat on the back' to the original builder Bob Wellstead...



Didn't Paul Barrows Dad have the original concept & start the build?

[kapri]

Yup, ended up as a part ex at 'the Rodding Scene' with Richard Parkes as a deal on some chop / trike bits to the best of my recollection.