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drag914
18-02-09, 04:30 PM
So, here's the story so far:

I have a good friend who lives in the Ukraine, near the city of Kharkov. He has about the most interesting job in the world - opening up the massive military warehouses the Russians left behind when the Soviet Union broke up. He catalogs everything and disposes of it through his network of contacts across the world (no, he's not an arms dealer! all the really 'interesting' stuff is handled by other people)

He's sent me a bunch of great old Soviet hardware in the past and he recently sent me PDF copies of blueprints to a lot of old aircraft stuff, including some seat designs from the Lisunov LI-2 (Soviet DC3 Dakota copy, built under licence and never paid for!)

I mentioned these seat blueprints to another good friend of mine who's an all-round engineering genius and he asked to have a look at the designs.

That was a week ago and today he turned up with these babies!

http://www.viralto.com/bseats/bseat1.jpg
http://www.viralto.com/bseats/bseat2.jpg
http://www.viralto.com/bseats/bseat3.jpg

As far as I can compare - they're almost an exact replica of the LI-2 military passenger seats, apart from some of the original mounting bracketry and the holes aren't flanged (don't think the tool was to hand!)

Construction method is identical to the originals - steel instead of aluminium (no worries about weight when you're carrying passengers instead of equipment!), flat-backed solid rivets with spot welds for some joints to save cost/time over using bucked rivets where they're not necessary. The edge trim is hand shrunk/stretched aluminium.

Vlad (my buddy in Kharkov) is sending me some old canvas tents (unused 1950s vintage!) so that I can get them made up into 'parachute-pack' style cushions and he's also going to dig up the paint code for the original green-grey colour of the Lisunov plane interiors.

I now look like this: :D

Where can I find a Soviet copy of a '32 to put them in?!

sbchevy
18-02-09, 05:01 PM
should make a few more might be a market?

drag914
18-02-09, 05:04 PM
should make a few more might be a market?

I just re-read my post and it does sound a bit like a sales pitch when really, I was just showing off! :)

We did think that they'd make cool seats for funky shops, galleries and company reception areas as well as cars though.

From what I understand, he had to call in a load of favours from guys with CNC plasma cutters, aircraft rivetting kit (and skills) and sheet metal fabrication gear - probably quite expensive if it all had to be paid for!

It was mostly an interesting engineering exercise for him but I guess if he can get one pair made then he could get more done if the demand was there. You've got me thinking now...

langysrodshop
18-02-09, 06:51 PM
Geoff Cousins already makes some very similair.

drag914
18-02-09, 07:40 PM
Geoff Cousins already makes some very similair.

I've seen Geoff's seats and they're truly excellent but, let's not forget - these are genuine (replica) pinko commie oktoberist Leninist seats comrade Steve! :D

Perfect for that traditional Vladivostok style 1922 Riga rod:

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/images/car/omo.jpg

31hillard
18-02-09, 07:58 PM
they look great.

sorry to hi-jack your thread....but has anyone got any u.s or british ww11 colour codes?

32vertex
18-02-09, 08:42 PM
these are genuine (replica) pinko commie oktoberist Leninist seats comrade Steve! :D

Wouldn't it way cooler to bring some real ones over ? To me the charm is in the fact that they were actually used in an old plane or car, and have patina ("experienced seating")

weemark
18-02-09, 08:44 PM
I've seen Geoff's seats and they're truly excellent but, let's not forget - these are genuine (replica) pinko commie oktoberist Leninist seats comrade Steve! :D

Perfect for that traditional Vladivostok style 1922 Riga rod:



genuine replica eh??? lol... i think ive heard it all now.

not sure id fancy sitting in them for more than about 2 miles, wouldnt do the piles any good ;)

drag914
18-02-09, 09:03 PM
Wouldn't it way cooler to bring some real ones over ? To me the charm is in the fact that they were actually used in an old plane or car, and have patina ("experienced seating")

You're absolutely right and that's where the whole thing started.

I've been asking Vlad about aircraft seats for the last couple of years but so far he's come up blank. There are literally thousands of unused modern aircraft sitting in fields all over the former Soviet Union but everything older seems to have been either recycled or sold off to China for recycling there. The other thing that spoils it for us is that the Russians were really quick to start using composites - they were using phenolic impregnated cotton to make a lot of their aircraft seats in the late 40s (a lot like the pre-Battle of Britain Spitfires) and they also preferred high-back seats for aircrew and they don't really work in a rod. :(

There's 1 airworthy Lisunov LI-2 in Hungary and the rest are stripped out shells or piles of parts (sadly not the parts we need!)

He's still looking out for originals for me but I'm quite happy to have laid my hands on the blueprints of a plane that the west knew almost nothing about until the fall of the Berlin wall!

I bet the guys on the HAMB would love to hear all about my lovely Russian seats! :eek:

drag914
18-02-09, 09:12 PM
genuine replica eh??? lol... i think ive heard it all now.

not sure id fancy sitting in them for more than about 2 miles, wouldnt do the piles any good ;)

Your soft western liberal lifestyle leaves you ill-equipped to endure even the smallest amount of physical discomfort. We sons of the Motherland, with our buttocks carved from the hardest Moskovite granite can sit in those seats for the 18 hours we must travel to buy the latest issue of Kyuztom Karski (our subscription system is sadly no better than yours) and still remain comfortable as we patiently sit and wait for the glorious Soviet rain to cease, enabling the racing at Chekhov County Raceway to finally continue...:D

Battersea Boys
18-02-09, 09:38 PM
never mind the seats lets see some of that radical hardware that will enrich our inquisitive noggins.......

Volkenstein
18-02-09, 10:42 PM
those seats ***ing rule, end of

drag914
19-02-09, 11:45 AM
those seats *flip*ing rule, end of

:D If we do end up having some made to sell on then I'll use that quote on any advertising we do!

Taff
19-02-09, 04:05 PM
they look great.

sorry to hi-jack your thread....but has anyone got any u.s or british ww11 colour codes?

didn't know there had been a world war eleven Dale........:-)