Question for guests only please

[langysrodshop]

This is a genuine question and please keep it constructive.

What could the NSRA do to tempt you into joining as a member or whats stopping you from joining up ???

[stueyT]

The only thing stopping me is my pure laziness to fill out the form and then drive the 15mile round trip to the post office. It would be much easier when the online registration comes into force. I have been a member before, didn't rejoin last year as I han no car on the road, and we didn't make it to any shows. I will join this year, when I can get over my laziness, lol.

Cheers,

Stu.

[56Chevynut]

I am gonna join up, just as soon as I get my lazy a*se in gear:D
Is there a facility to join at the swap meet?

[THE VIKING]

What are the benifits of joining ? Do members get discounts at certain retailers like it is over on HAMB ?

[49anglia]

To be honest, the club membership doesnt have any appeal for me. I also wouldnt make any use of the benefits.

I dont/wont be going to any NSRA shows as its not really my thing.

The magazine could be nice, dont know, never seen it.

My insurance is already cheap enough.

£30 is alot of money if im not going to get any benefit from being a member.

The only thing that is good for me is the forum. I use the forum, and am gratefull for it. Its the only real UK hotrod forum. I use a few other car forums but there is alot of knowledge on here about the cars i own. I try and balance this out by replying to any tech questions i can and trying to be a usefull member.

Im not sure the NSRA could really do anything to tempt me to join. Im not really a club type of person. I love building and driving old/vintage cars. Im not really into the comunity side of it.

I feel running the forum as a free resource is a great way of getting people into this side of the car hobby. If the forum was members only it would probably be the death of the NSRA eventually.

The constant digs at non members to join from certain people (i never look at user names so honestly couldnt say who) gets really annoying and starts to wear a little thin. I left this forum for quite a while for this reason.

Rather than trying to badger people into joining why not just let people be? Let them use the forum without any grief, hopefully their interests will grow and they will join the club if they feel its for them.

The only other reason to joining a club is for that fun feeling of a group of friends with the same tastes and interests. This doesnt really work with the NSRA though as it covers a wide range of styles (as it should, segregating more would also be a bad idea!).

[langysrodshop]

U.S Automotive give 25% discount to members and obviously the events are discounted for members. also the NSRA insurance scheme is only available to members.



What are the benifits of joining ? Do members get discounts at certain retailers like it is over on HAMB ?

[BaronVonVVankel]

Ohh Ohh that will be me then...
I got a bit of a negative impression of the NSRA to begin with but i think that was just down to negative responses from a couple of people. I filled out the application form but didnt send it off. I was also considering the NASC.
Im seriously considering joining the NSRA now but im waiting for the Online membership to become available (as tantalisingly promised on this forum).
Erm, one question, the trouble and strife wont be coming to any NSRA events with me but the kids will... is there any point in me getting family membership?
The club membership is not expensive on its own but they all add up...
Im already a paid up member of...
Cernunnos MCC (MotorCycle Club)
MAG (Motorcycle Action Group)
The Norton Owners Club (Motorcycles)
Rotary Owners Club (Motorcycles)
and im sure theres somthing else ive forgotten
add the NSRA to that lot and im looking at a lot of hard earned going out.
Quick, get that Online membership sorted before i talk myself out of it.

[weemark]

What are the benifits of joining ? Do members get discounts at certain retailers like it is over on HAMB ?

US automotive give NSRA discount, im sure there was someone else mentioned as well but I forget who it was, I believe Dik Stapely is going to speak to vendors this year about this subject as it was brought up in the members are as well.

[pilgrim]

To be honest,.


what he said.
although I may attend some NSRA events this year.
I too, am really only here for the forum, which is great if 'a little' over moderated, although I understand the mods have to mainly fulfil the needs of the more 'sensitive' users, and let everyone else get on with it.;)

Maybe if there was a free tshirt or similar, I would join. (XL)[xx(]

[farncombe pop]

Maybe if there was a free tshirt or similar, I would join. (XL)[xx(]
Well all Steve was asking is what the club could do to temp you and that's not such a bad idea ;)

[THE VIKING]

What are the cost involved ?

[weemark]

What are the cost involved ?

£30 single, £40 family.

all the details are on the form on the front page of the web site.
http://www.nsra.org.uk/downloads/2009MembershipForm.doc

[langysrodshop]

£30 single membership £40 family membership.


What are the cost involved ?

[stueyT]

What is the difference between family and single, with a single membership you can have a discounted adult at shows and children under 16 are free, what does the family membership do that is different? Not a rant, just a genuine enquiry.

Cheers,

Stu.

[weemark]

family membership would cover your wife and any kids you have under 17. so their costs into any of the NSRA shows would be discounted.

[VALLEYSBOY]

Hi, im building a trike "so maybe not a typical hotrod thing" im using some hotrod parts in the build, i came here looking for white wall ideas " thanks bay area rods and Langy" and found them here on the forum :) and also lake style headers info "thanks to Langy" i am unable to work so my benefits dont go far, when my project is finished id happily join up :) just to say thankyou in some small way for the info and helpfull members that are here :)

[stueyT]

family membership would cover your wife and any kids you have under 17. so their costs into any of the NSRA shows would be discounted.

Mark,

You get that with the single, yourself and 1 guest. All I am wondering is what else I get for my extra £10.

Cheers,

Stu.

[chevyshane]

I agree steve only asked what he could do to try to get new members its no big debate. Ive not been a guest long but will join next week now reason being the tech imfo that is supplied (free) is well worth it alone.At the end of the day its 30 quid its not even a good night out in a pub i waste more than that on junk food in a month and the member ship is for a year with discounts BARGAIN:D

[stueyT]

I agree steve only asked what he could do to try to get new members its no big debate. Ive not been a guest long but will join next week now reason being the tech imfo that is supplied (free) is well worth it alone.At the end of the day its 30 quid its not even a good night out in a pub i waste more than that on junk food in a month and the member ship is for a year with discounts BARGAIN:D

I totally agree with what you are saying, but there seems to be no incentive to get the family membership, when the perks on a single is good for a family.

Cheers,

Stu.

[Doug]

North Hants Tyres also give discount to NSRA members.

[bigted]

Mark,

You get that with the single, yourself and 1 guest. All I am wondering is what else I get for my extra £10.

Cheers,

Stu.

iIs that right?? i got family membership for my lot (me ,mrs and 2 kids 10&12.).. and the missus doesnt like the pop so never goes in it so just me and the boys.. so i could hve saved a tenner then??? oh 80llox... never mind.. at least she got a membership card to prove she's my b1tch. lol...

[farncombe pop]

iIs that right?? i got family membership for my lot (me ,mrs and 2 kids 10&12.).. and the missus doesnt like the pop so never goes in it so just me and the boys.. so i could hve saved a tenner then??? oh 80llox... never mind.. at least she got a membership card to prove she's my b1tch. lol...
And she can use the FULL forum in her own wright;)

[morris]

Stu I think the family one would qualify your spouse to use the insurance
sceem should she have a car of her own

[bigted]

And she can use the FULL forum in her own wright;)

i just informed her that she can use the forum in FULL and she told me to... f*ck off fat boy:mad:......So Ive confiscated her membership card, and changed my login info so she now CAN'T use the forum... oh the POWER of being a member..lol.:p

[BaronVonVVankel]

i just informed her that she can use the forum in FULL and she told me to... f*ck off fat boy:mad:......So Ive confiscated her membership card, and changed my login info so she now CAN'T use the forum... oh the POWER of being a member..lol.:p

LOL :D it was worth the £10 then

[bigted]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigted http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/showthread.php?p=194951#post194951)
i just informed her that she can use the forum in FULL and she told me to... f*ck off fat boy:mad:......So Ive confiscated her membership card, and changed my login info so she now CAN'T use the forum... oh the POWER of being a member..lol.:p

(QUOTED BY VVANKEL...
LOL :D it was worth the £10 then)
http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/images/statusicon/user_online.gif http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/report.php?p=194952) .......

.OH YES!!!!

buying her some chocalate.......£5
buying her some flowers..........£10
giving her cash to spend.........£50

Having the POWER of membership..........priceless

for most things in life theres cash......
but to pi55 the missus off theres...membercard.

[farncombe pop]

Plenty of guests on line, come on lads tell us what YOU would like from the club and we will see if we can twist arms LOL, if you don't ask you don't get ;):) I'm membership sec for the Surrey street rodders and if people said to me yes we would join but any chance of this or that if it was reasonble i would have no problems putting it to the club;)

[Battersea Boys]

put on an indoor winter show ( decemberish) with all the best cars from the years events, and i don,t mean just hi,dollar ones in a roadster show style venue.. to really give a shot in the arm to everyone...........

[surfmonkey]

guaranteed sunshine !

[langysrodshop]

Lets keep it constructive please guys, It could benifit the NSRA knowing what can be changed or modified, Good stuff so far thanks.

[BRIT DIGGER]

i call on here for a bit of entertainment.. lets face it the tellies ****e.
though i use the for sale/wanted section without paying anything for the privalige, i dont believe i take the ****, ill always try to help other users, members or not, and im more than willing to help promote the hot rod/drag race/car "fun" scene!. :).

ive just had a blazing row with an assistant at B&Q cause he wouldnt let me sell some step ladders in there!! ............... miserable git.

the forum as is justifies the membership price for me.... the rest is a big bonus!

often light hearted chat, great pics and exellent tech info.

so your thinking why havnt i joined yet?

i have but my details arnt updated... :). yes ive done the form thing too. ;).

Sid. :).

[Pez]

What are the benifits of joining ? Do members get discounts at certain retailers like it is over on HAMB ?

You have pay $50 per year to become a HAMB alliance member and benefit from the discounts offered.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?page_id=175

[gotzy]

I'm an ex member and will probably rejoin at some stage but if there was on line ordering I would have rejoined this year for sure, yep I'm lazy but hey

But the thing that has made me not worry about my membership slipping in the first place is that National Street Rod Association has lost it definition, well to me anyway. I may be wrong but title suggested hot rods me when I first joined and came over from Guernsey to it's events.

What I mean about that is that by being an Aussie I grew up with Hot rods being what was originally hot rodded in the States as in pre 49 (and I know the pre 49 history so no need to try to educate me one it).

Customs are Kustoms with a K and our domestic product and American muscle cars are exactly that, or street machines. And the thing is that everyone simply just accepts it and gets it, there is no middle ground and you join the club that suits your particular sub section of the whole car guy culture.

Now I know I'm not in Australia any more and that the UK is the UK and this is the UK NSRA and not the Aussie or American definition (not that I understand why if I'm honest), but why does it appear that there is no clear distinctions in the UK that is generally accpeted? And this is my point, the NRSA should know these simple distinctions and make them clearer to it potential and current membership.

If this was done then I think it would do amazing things for the club and it's membership numbers.

Or change it's name to National Street Car Association to stop the confusion once and for all.

And whilst i'm at it, having a forum section for Pre 49s, Customs with a K, Muscle cars and domestic products would stop a lot of the forum arguments, well in my opinion anyway.

Well that's my take Langy, hope it helps and I'll come and say hi and the swamp meet.

Cheers

Gotzy

[bigbadbaldlee]

I keep meaning to join, I've even got as far as filling the form in and then didn't get round to posting it. I know I should join up given the amount of time I spend on here, but then you don't have to be a member to use the forum.
If it was members only then I probably would bite the bullet. Perhaps that's something to consider?

TBH I can't help wondering if the NSRA is that applicable to me as I'm not into early (pre '60s) cars. Are early rods still the main focus of the club & Gasser or is there a healthy balance of later stuff as well?

Deviating from the topic slightly, I think that seperate forum sections for pre '49 / post '49 would be a good thing too.

[BigBossMan]

Steve, would it be better to also have a post asking members why they joined and keep doing so year after year?

That way non-members could get a balanced idea of what we are about.

Otherwise this may just bounce back and forwards achieving nowt and ending in a slanging match. (I see the future you know) :)

[stever]

i only look in weekly now since i sold the austin somerset and dont miss it at all
only do 2 shows a year (drayton manor and steel city cruisers)
membership would have no benefit to me at all i drive an astro van (not on isurance scheme) and as many have said they dont want them on show fields as for discount on parts i work in the motor trade so i get all my parts at cost..
so sorry steve genuine answer from me...

steve r

[insanityvans]

just another opinion. I don't attend many shows. I have bought nothing at a discounted rate and don't have a car on the road yet to need the NSRA insurance, but I am a member However, I think some guests may have missed one point. Some of the money that comes in as membership goes towards helping to lobby fo not just our part of the 'petrol head' hobby, but all parts. If we are not united and do not have a voice we will surely see our freedom to build whatever car, or bike we want seriously eroded. That is the main reason I pay my £30 a year.

[langysrodshop]

Excellent idea Ian, See thats what this thread is all about.

Steve R thanks for that, its not about if anyone agree's or disagree's, Thanks for joining in.


Steve, would it be better to also have a post asking members why they joined and keep doing so year after year?

That way non-members could get a balanced idea of what we are about.

Otherwise this may just bounce back and forwards achieving nowt and ending in a slanging match. (I see the future you know) :)

[Fatguyz]

just another opinion. I don't attend many shows. I have bought nothing at a discounted rate and don't have a car on the road yet to need the NSRA insurance, but I am a member However, I think some guests may have missed one point. Some of the money that comes in as membership goes towards helping to lobby fo not just our part of the 'petrol head' hobby, but all parts. If we are not united and do not have a voice we will surely see our freedom to build whatever car, or bike we want seriously eroded. That is the main reason I pay my £30 a year.

well said that man.........

but can also see the other valid points made by the others.

I've always seen it as not what i can get, but what i can give.......its a totally different kinda thing, i believe, than having a membership at your local gym.......some good info from the guests...keep it coming

FG:cool:

[langysrodshop]

Jase you should be on the other thread :D



well said that man.........

but can also see the other valid points made by the others.

I've always seen it as not what i can get, but what i can give.......its a totally different kinda thing, i believe, than having a membership at your local gym.......some good info from the guests...keep it coming

FG:cool:

[Fatguyz]

Jase you should be on the other thread :D

yes dad:o

FG[:O]

[rottenpop]

Weird.

When I first joined the NSRA it was because I wanted to be a member of the U.K,s most esteemed Hot Rod Club. There were benefits to be had like cheaper entrance to shows and the insurance scheme but I did,nt join for those alone. There was no forum, a message board yes but no forum.

Perhaps it me but I,ve always joined because I am proud to be a part of it all.

[BaronVonVVankel]

just another opinion. I don't attend many shows. I have bought nothing at a discounted rate and don't have a car on the road yet to need the NSRA insurance, but I am a member However, I think some guests may have missed one point. Some of the money that comes in as membership goes towards helping to lobby fo not just our part of the 'petrol head' hobby, but all parts. If we are not united and do not have a voice we will surely see our freedom to build whatever car, or bike we want seriously eroded. That is the main reason I pay my £30 a year.

That is my main motivation for considering joining. I take up very little in the way of benefits from my long standing membership of the Motorcycle Action Group but United we stand, Divided we fall.

The Indoor winter show sounds like a great idea.

It seems to me that the single/family membership issues highlighted on here need to be addressed.

Pre 49 - I dont think that 1949 is a relevant cut of point for the UK. The style of cars made pre 49 continued to be built in the UK long after 49 (presumably due to our war debt). Compare my 1957 Ford Pop with a 1957 Chevy, they look like they were built a couple of decades apart.

[49anglia]

North Hants Tyres also give discount to NSRA members.

Thats interesting. How much? I may well be giving them a significant amount of money soon. If the money i'd save is near to, the same as, or more than the cost of membership ill join.

That however makes me feel guilty, only joining because it would save me money on one parts order.

[langysrodshop]

Russ both you & HRW are on the wrong thread !!!



Weird.

When I first joined the NSRA it was because I wanted to be a member of the U.K,s most esteemed Hot Rod Club. There were benefits to be had like cheaper entrance to shows and the insurance scheme but I did,nt join for those alone. There was no forum, a message board yes but no forum.

Perhaps it me but I,ve always joined because I am proud to be a part of it all.

[49anglia]

The £30 it cost a year is approximately 50p a week, if you are reading this then you are getting far better value than a TV licence which cost far more, apart from supporting the NSRA which is vital, the for sale and wanted, the pictures of cars, the tech help, free relay service, all for 50p a week, not much you can buy for that. Even make some good friends, all in the comfort of your home when you want and how many times you want 24/7, 365 days a year. Well thats my opinion .....


I really dont think the forum should be considered when it comes to membership.
Forums should be free to all who wish to use them.

The forum is your way of atracting new blood to the hobby.

Members are always on about atracting new blood, but then they dicourage them by trying to make them feel guilty abount not being a paid up member.

I also think some peoples views on what cars are apropriate, and what arent are complete ass but lets not get into all than again.


Leave the forum as is, let it just be a good hotrod/custom forum. The forum is good but in my opinion it would be alot better if some of the bitching stopped and considering all the bitching revolves around members/non members, and petty 'your car isnt worthy' crap, its these things that need addressing.

Then, maybe, new blood will come through and maybe some of them will join and stay.

[Hot Rod Widow]

I really dont think the forum should be considered when it comes to membership.
Forums should be free to all who wish to use them.

The forum is your way of atracting new blood to the hobby.

Members are always on about atracting new blood, but then they dicourage them by trying to make them feel guilty abount not being a paid up member.

I also think some peoples views on what cars are apropriate, and what arent are complete ass but lets not get into all than again.


Leave the forum as is, let it just be a good hotrod/custom forum. The forum is good but in my opinion it would be alot better if some of the bitching stopped and considering all the bitching revolves around members/non members, and petty 'your car isnt worthy' crap, its these things that need addressing.

Then, maybe, new blood will come through and maybe some of them will join and stay.


Sorry, didnt mean it to try and make non members guilty at all, was just trying to see another view of why to spend £30. Hope you accept my apologies and it does not discourage you.

[Scooby]

put on an indoor winter show ( decemberish) with all the best cars from the years events, and i don,t mean just hi,dollar ones in a roadster show style venue.. to really give a shot in the arm to everyone...........

Good idea,heres another one ( I Hope) why not set up a day at the London Motor Museum.
Its run by a cool guy Elo.
Details here. Hes always looking for shows- events to advertise his business. Loads of motors there.
See link. http://www.londonmotormuseum.co.uk/ (http://www.londonmotormuseum.co.uk/)
I know the guy and could put the word across.
Just an idea.
Richard.

[langysrodshop]

Jane the guests can see both threads and hopefully will read both of them, I was just trying to keep them seperate.



I put my opinion on this thread as it was pointless putting it on the members thread as they already know what I put thats why they joined:D

But, as it it your thread if you want me to delete it say so and it will be done immediately.:)

[DaveC]

Interesting thread Thanks Mr Lang

Some good responces thanks guys

Dave

[49anglia]

Sorry, didnt mean it to try and make non members guilty at all, was just trying to see another view of why to spend £30. Hope you accept my apologies and it does not discourage you.


:D Thats ok, i never said anyone succeeded.

I actually think the membership fee, and benefits offered are very good. I cant really think of anything that can be realisticly done to encourage more people to join.

I dont think anything discourages people either.

I just dont do 'clubs'.

[langysrodshop]

I don't do clubs either but i feel the NSRA is a lot more than a club, Its more of a instutution to me.



:D Thats ok, i never said anyone succeeded.

I actually think the membership fee, and benefits offered are very good. I cant really think of anything that can be realisticly done to encourage more people to join.

I dont think anything discourages people either.

I just dont do 'clubs'.

[vince-305]

So if its
£30 for a single (which covers 1 guest )
£40 for a family (which covers ?????? )

Theres myself, my misses and 4 bratz (12, 9, 6, and 3)

Only one car on the road thats the Consul and only do the swap meet (at the moment ) I do the NASC NATS in memory of my Dad

I have contemplaited joining espeacily now its rolling membership

whats stopping ME from joining up ??? So far this year EVERYTHING and its still hitting the fan daily :(

[Keith]

Both my sons are nsra members, and living at home, one uses the insurance scheme the other has his own, I know they do a family membership but that wouldn't cover us, plus I think 3 gasser mags would be wastefull

[vince-305]

I really dont think the forum should be considered when it comes to membership.
Forums should be free to all who wish to use them.

The forum is your way of atracting new blood to the hobby.

Members are always on about atracting new blood, but then they dicourage them by trying to make them feel guilty abount not being a paid up member.

Then, maybe, new blood will come through and maybe some of them will join and stay.

Well it took me forever to write my reply and after posting i back tracked and read the replys that had been posted inbetween must type faster lol

But i totally agree with the above quote

And whilst on the way back from a REALLY good "Detonators" meet was flashed by a young bloke that didnt know anyone with a modded car and owns a ford pop (sit up n beg) running a rv8 that hes building my response was " Join the NSRA forum they are a real good bunch and will help " we traded numbers and i think he will be along soon :)

So the forum Must be doing something Right

(totally drifted off there but hey thats me)( goldfish memory lol)

Now to catch up with what else ive missed

[BaronVonVVankel]

I don't do clubs either but i feel the NSRA is a lot more than a club, Its more of a instutution to me.

So you think members are 'Institutionalised' then :confused:

[Nifty]

What could the NSRA do to tempt you into joining as a member or whats stopping you from joining up ???

Sell it to us! What I mean to say is that entering the forum, the membership section is a little small and can be overlooked. Opening it up, it states only 1 of the benefits of becoming a member, list all of them, it's only after reading this thread I knew about a discount at North Hants:eek:. Sell it!! 4 tyres nowadays cost a freakin fortune. Same can be said for the insurance, proper Hotrod insurance with agreed valuation at member discounted rates is fantastic and a massive selling point especially if the cost of the policies is more than reasonable.
Someone mentioned Tshirts, free merchandise is always a good way of inticing people. Cool stuff is great, even better when you think you're getting it free. Emphasis on cool though!;) The timing tags that the Hamb do are superb!! Check out Dice magazine and see how they sell themselves,not their mags but the whole ethos of Dice, they've nailed it.
Branding could earn yourself some lolly too and no I don't want a red hot poker anywhere near my arse! So long as its seen to be cool people will buy it.

I'm going to join up at the swap meet, no problem. Main reason is the prospect of insurance at a good price.

[Hot Rod Deuce]

I'm an ex member and will probably rejoin at some stage but if there was on line ordering I would have rejoined this year for sure, yep I'm lazy but hey

But the thing that has made me not worry about my membership slipping in the first place is that National Street Rod Association has lost it definition, well to me anyway. I may be wrong but title suggested hot rods me when I first joined and came over from Guernsey to it's events.

What I mean about that is that by being an Aussie I grew up with Hot rods being what was originally hot rodded in the States as in pre 49 (and I know the pre 49 history so no need to try to educate me one it).

Customs are Kustoms with a K and our domestic product and American muscle cars are exactly that, or street machines. And the thing is that everyone simply just accepts it and gets it, there is no middle ground and you join the club that suits your particular sub section of the whole car guy culture.

Now I know I'm not in Australia any more and that the UK is the UK and this is the UK NSRA and not the Aussie or American definition (not that I understand why if I'm honest), but why does it appear that there is no clear distinctions in the UK that is generally accpeted? And this is my point, the NRSA should know these simple distinctions and make them clearer to it potential and current membership.

If this was done then I think it would do amazing things for the club and it's membership numbers.

Or change it's name to National Street Car Association to stop the confusion once and for all.

And whilst i'm at it, having a forum section for Pre 49s, Customs with a K, Muscle cars and domestic products would stop a lot of the forum arguments, well in my opinion anyway.

Well that's my take Langy, hope it helps and I'll come and say hi and the swamp meet.

Cheers

Gotzy

I pretty much agree with Gotzy.....I watch the "cruise" leave Billing and that puts me off joining up......countrys with much smaller populations than ours seem to be able to stick to tighter controls on car membership criteria.In saying that...it is not my place to join an organisation ,knowing what and how it is, and then try to change things.....it just seems too loose for me ,thats all.

[Alcoholic Rat]

The friends ive made (the biggest factor of all ), the knowledge ive gleaned, the great times i and my family have had, the laughs and the arguments i've had,the cars i've been priviledged to see (close up), and the PRIDE i get from telling people im a member of the NSRA, these are just some of the reasons ive always been an NSRA Family member. (posted in my view as a member and not chairman.)

People (both committee and members) work tirelessly for FREE to keep the forum and shows ,events etc going, if my £40 is all i have had to pay to show my appreciation of this fact then it has always been and always will be well worth it.

My eternal gratitude for all of the above is the reason why i stepped forward for the Chairmans position the same reason as did all the committee and Mods.:D

Dazz

[Mart]

Good question.
1, No real reason for not joining, other than it takes some effort and it is just one of those things I never get around to.

2, It seems unfortunate to me that this forum is inextricably linked to the NSRA. I like to use this forum, like to see what other people have been up to and comment if appropriate. I feel that I also contribute technical knowledge and experience to the forum, so I feel I "pay my dues" as far as the forum goes.

I think if the membership could be done completely online and payment made by Paypal, I would be far more likely to join. If membership were 12 months rolling from date of joining, it would stop the "waiting for the new year to get my money's worth" type scenario. That particular time of year is very tight in this household as my wife's and all 3 kids birthdays all fall around christmas and the new year.

So the short answer to what could the NSRA do to help would be to introduce fully online membership, rolling for 12 months from date of joining.

If the NSRA could allow the forum to be only loosely associated to the club, and fully open to all (without the member and non member (guest) mindgames it would make the forum a better place too. For example the NSRA appear to view the forum as a burden that has to be run and moderated, and all those mods have to answer to a comittee. If there were mods that were non members and only had to think about what is appropriate to the forum, things could be more easy going.

The hamb runs successfully without association to any club, mods do it voluntarily for the good of the forum, with no other ties. It can work, and work well.

Just being an active member of the forum should be good enough.

Mart.

[kapri]

Good ideas Nifty :) so to follow on from that the biggest selling point is the forum is paid for by NSRA members.No members ,no forum :(

The above ISN'T designed to provoke a ruck but you asked to sell what is good about the NSRA and this forum, freely given to all from NSRA members funds , is often overlooked.

I would say that the 'free' tech advice ( from both NSRA members AND guests ) on here must be worth 0.75P per week to anyone without taking into consideration ANY of the other advantages? Without this place to exchange that info we'd all be a lot worse off ?


Got to go... Langy will be along to ******k me for posting on the wrong thread ;) :)

[Nifty]

Rolling membership would be a great idea.

[Battersea Boys]

I really dont think the forum should be considered when it comes to membership.
Forums should be free to all who wish to use them.

The forum is your way of atracting new blood to the hobby.

Members are always on about atracting new blood, but then they dicourage them by trying to make them feel guilty abount not being a paid up member.

I also think some peoples views on what cars are apropriate, and what arent are complete ass but lets not get into all than again.


Leave the forum as is, let it just be a good hotrod/custom forum. The forum is good but in my opinion it would be alot better if some of the bitching stopped and considering all the bitching revolves around members/non members, and petty 'your car isnt worthy' crap, its these things that need addressing.

Then, maybe, new blood will come through and maybe some of them will join and stay.

Very good points.

It is the NSRA shop window and who gets charged for looking in shop windows

[langysrodshop]

Wrong thread dazza



The friends ive made (the biggest factor of all ), the knowledge ive gleaned, the great times i and my family have had, the laughs and the arguments i've had,the cars i've been priviledged to see (close up), and the PRIDE i get from telling people im a member of the NSRA, these are just some of the reasons ive always been an NSRA Family member. (posted in my view as a member and not chairman.)

People (both committee and members) work tirelessly for FREE to keep the forum and shows ,events etc going, if my £40 is all i have had to pay to show my appreciation of this fact then it has always been and always will be well worth it.

My eternal gratitude for all of the above is the reason why i stepped forward for the Chairmans position the same reason as did all the committee and Mods.:D

Dazz

[Alcoholic Rat]

Oooops, must read all topics before posting:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

Dazz
(Tired ,confused NSRA member):D:D:D

[langysrodshop]

Yup :D The reason i didn't want members to post Kev was that the guests might end up feeling pressurised.


Good ideas Nifty :) so to follow on from that the biggest selling point is the forum is paid for by NSRA members.No members ,no forum :(

The above ISN'T designed to provoke a ruck but you asked to sell what is good about the NSRA and this forum, freely given to all from NSRA members funds , is often overlooked.

I would say that the 'free' tech advice ( from both NSRA members AND guests ) on here must be worth 0.75P per week to anyone without taking into consideration ANY of the other advantages? Without this place to exchange that info we'd all be a lot worse off ?


Got to go... Langy will be along to ******k me for posting on the wrong thread ;) :)

[kapri]

Nifty DID ask for a sales pitch though Steve, so I gave it to him ,whether he buys is still his perogative....*back door*, did it again :)

[49anglia]

I would say that the 'free' tech advice ( from both NSRA members AND guests ) on here must be worth 0.75P per week to anyone without taking into consideration ANY of the other advantages? Without this place to exchange that info we'd all be a lot worse off ?





Not being funny, and not trying to start an argument, but here we go again!

Seriously, the forum needs to either be completely members only (killing the club entirely) or freely open to anyone without any guilt trips.

I like the forum and want to use it and contribute to it. I dont want to join the NSRA though, sorry, just how it is for me.

If running the forum is such a hassle then stop! It would be a great shame though.

Running the forum for members only wont be any easier either. Having a guilt free forum for all forum members is no harder than if all the guests joined.

Its all these little digs and emotional blackmail tricks that gives the NSRA a bad name.

You guys know your not exactly popular with alot of car folk right? (im talking about the reputation of the club, not individuals popularity)


This forum could be a fantastic resource. IT NEEDS TO BE SEPERATE FROM THE PAID UP CLUB.

I pesonaly have no problem with the members only sections.

As the forum is the only NSRA provided service i care for, do you realy think its worth me paying £30 a year just to use it?

No other froums i use, and i use many for various hobbies, ask for payment from its members. They are run for the good of the forum and are all the better for it.

[Nifty]

Nifty DID ask for a sales pitch though Steve, so I gave it to him ,whether he buys is still his perogative....*back door*, did it again :)

Haha, don't need to sell it to me I will join.
Make it easy to join, as people have stated, on line means they don't have to get off their asses.
Make it clear what is on offer by joining. Discounts, insurance etc
Offer incentives like stickers, caps or T's if you feel it'll help (definately can't hurt)

Most importantly though is that everyone has said how they like this forum, it works, it's helpfull and friendly. I've joined the Hamb for those very reasons plus it's a cool collection of guys.

[Dinsdale Piranah]

When I lived in UK the inflexible joining date deterred me.
Now I live in France the membership would not really benefit me.

I do feel a bit uncomfortable not being a member yet using the forum, and I try to contribute to tech discussion questions as a sort of pay back.

I have been a member of "local" clubs in the past, Mid Surrey Roadsters for example and I find these of more interest.
Also was a member of the NCC and although a (inter)national club it has regional "chapters".

Has this ever been a NSRA consideration?

BTW...thanks for the use of the forum.

[49anglia]

Thats a good idea.

Local chapters may well work. I'd happily pay to join a local club if i liked the folk in it. Membership money would be split between the culb as a whole and the individual chapters.

Chapters could use the money for club plaques, club do's, maybe even shared premises or a club house.

That way you would have regular benefit from the membership monies paid.

[Pontiac461]

I think I;m another lazy dude, that and the fact I'm more a musclecar/streeetmachine fan than hotrod, always assumed that made me less NSRA viable, but that's probably more an assumption that reality,. The mag is great and the NSRA is very professionally run as I see it.

[vin likes diesel]

Well heres my ten penny's worth,
Been around cars like everyone for years ,love different styles and appreciate the work , now i have been a member on and off and i know that my style is not a hotrod and i have taken some negative digs for it almost stopped on here cause i felt abit allienated , but this ain't no playground and i was not going to be bullied off the site ,I am going to join though at the swap meet because i feel that as i have been a member before and look frequently at the site it is about time to support the nsra as a paid member of course thats if my car is allowed ......................:rolleyes: oh and the other thing that gets to me is when you try and start a thread like i did and put a picture of my truck with 8 fellow rodders sitting in the back at a drag meet to get a feel good factor going it gets taken off because it is a 1986 truck and not pre scchool hotrod,a little to strict, rant over..............

[tug]

A couple of questions,

1. Why is subscription Jan to Jan if I join now I will effectivly pay for a year but only benefit 10 months worth, surly more people would join, especially summertime during shows, if yearly subscription was available throughout the year.

2. If all benefits/discounts where published on the web site, again potential members could see the benefits, maybe some examples of insurance quotes etc..

Tug

[crumble]

Well heres my ten penny's worth,
Been around cars like everyone for years ,love different styles and appreciate the work , now i have been a member on and off and i know that my style is not a hotrod and i have taken some negative digs for it almost stopped on here cause i felt abit allienated , but this ain't no playground and i was not going to be bullied off the site ,I am going to join though at the swap meet because i feel that as i have been a member before and look frequently at the site it is about time to support the nsra as a paid member of course thats if my car is allowed ......................:rolleyes: oh and the other thing that gets to me is when you try and start a thread like i did and put a picture of my truck with 8 fellow rodders sitting in the back at a drag meet to get a feel good factor going it gets taken off because it is a 1986 truck and not pre scchool hotrod,a little to strict, rant over..............

its was not the truck vin that got the pic removed it was all them red necks sitting in the back.

[vin likes diesel]

lol your not wrong there crumble

[physcult]

Online joining and rolling membership. My guess at making it attractive to join would be a price that is impulse tested, its quite possible that £29.99 is better than £30.00.

Other than that there has to be cool things to buy in the member's section. Im not sure of the feasibility of that, but license plates, license plate emblems, quality tax disc holders,I.D plates, tshirts, sweat shirts or hats. - But they have to be cool , the talent is obviously here to create the designs but not sure if its risky because it requires a cash investment.

As Hot Rodding is fashion/style driven perhaps image needs investing in? Is the NSRA cool? Is it slick? I understand its not really a business but maybe that should be looked at if funds allow?

[langysrodshop]

The sales pitch is hopefully on the other thread Kev :D



Nifty DID ask for a sales pitch though Steve, so I gave it to him ,whether he buys is still his perogative....*back door*, did it again :)

[Ford34]

I think a guest status has both negatives and positives. One view is that it lets people see whats going on, test the water before committing cash, the other is some never join and put into the 'pot' to keep things going.
I have been in this postion and since I own half of one car with my dad and it's his name on the log book then he has joined. (pack came through yesterday).
Alright only one of us has joined but we can't have a family membership as I am 36!!
We have used the forum especially for advice and coupled with the insurance is the main reasons for us deciding to join. Kev's point that for 75p a week were can you get advice like this is spot on. You only have to ******ks something up or buy a wrong part and that can take up a lot of £30's. The speed of replies and quality of the answers is second to none.
The camaraderie is also a big positive, the 'Liam Lost' incedent being a prime example of that. Restores your faith in humanity.
How about guest status only asting so long? 6 -12 months?
Anyway that my four penneth. We enjoy the benefits so we now put into the pot. We can't expect it to be there otherwise.

[Nifty]

Other than that there has to be cool things to buy in the member's section. Im not sure of the feasibility of that, but license plates, license plate emblems, quality tax disc holders,I.D plates, tshirts, sweat shirts or hats. - But they have to be cool , the talent is obviuosly here to create the designs but not sure if its risky because it requires a cash investment.

As Hot Rodding is fashion/style driven perhaps image needs investing in? Is the NSRA cool? Is it slick? I understand its not really a business but maybe that should be looked at if funds allow?

Totally agree!!

[Nick]

The membership form asks you to agree to T&Cs that you're not allowed to see until you've joined. That's a deal breaker for me.

[Battersea Boys]

say a guest posts an item forsale before trying ebay or pistonheads etc all forum users get the heads up before its in the mainstream. There have been many great deals on the Hamb and I,m sure on here due to this, make it members only and that elusive 41 willys might go somewhere else!..............

I really don,t understand why a very small element keep driving this membership bs on it is really tiresome and non productive ........

[stueyT]

Just a thought may not be feasible, but worth a shout.

What if when you join you get asked if you consent to having your name and a contact number on a list of rodders in your local area, as a means of introducing local people and a means of a helping hand if required. Obviously this would be of the consent of the individual, I know that I have to struggle doing some jobs by myself as I don't know people from my area and a helping hand, even if its for a "what would you do?" or "what do you reckon", would be very helpful, knowing there is physical help as well as verbal help off the forum, would be good. Just a thought.

Cheers,

Stu.

[langysrodshop]

This thread is not about bun fights, please don't turn it into one.



say a guest posts an item forsale before trying ebay or pistonheads etc all forum users get the heads up before its in the mainstream. There have been many great deals on the Hamb and I,m sure on here due to this, make it members only and that elusive 41 willys might go somewhere else!..............

I really don,t understand why a very small element keep driving this membership bs on it is really tiresome and non productive ........

[KICKSY]

Iv'e had a lot of help from members with the problems iv'e had
at the end of last year and the begining of this year. Iv'e also
made a few friends, this is what this forum is all about.I haven't
been here long and i can't see anything need's changing at the
moment. May be wrong but i heard you get three mags a year,
would be nice to see an extra one so you get one every quarter.
It would give the new member something to look forward to once
every third month feature cars etc for his £30.
I'll be donating my £30 this year for my membership.

Dave.:)

[rockinrich01]

Just to do it online and i would join again, i hate putting pen to paper!!!

Cheers Rich

[gez toxico]

I HAVE JUST JOINED!!! only taken me about 3 years....
and it was only because Vinnie printed the form out for me :)

seems (like me) there are a lot of lazy people out there... the online form should help with that....

[jez r]

I've not read evrybody's posts on this thread so sorry if I repeat anything that's been said already.

How about a northern event?

Rolling membership - currently, If you join partway through the year then you don't get a full year's membership.
I know these these things are complicated to organize but you did ask.

I attend most shows as a trader so discounted entry doesn't apply, and as I dont have a rod yet I can't take advantage of any insurance scheme so NSRA membership really would ammount to an expensive magazine subscription in my case.

[kapri]

Just a thought may not be feasible, but worth a shout.

What if when you join you get asked if you consent to having your name and a contact number on a list of rodders in your local area, as a means of introducing local people and a means of a helping hand if required. Obviously this would be of the consent of the individual, I know that I have to struggle doing some jobs by myself as I don't know people from my area and a helping hand, even if its for a "what would you do?" or "what do you reckon", would be very helpful, knowing there is physical help as well as verbal help off the forum, would be good. Just a thought.

Cheers,

Stu.

That is already available as a list of members willing to help in event of breakdown...Fellow Pages.

[kapri]

Iv'e had a lot of help from members with the problems iv'e had
at the end of last year and the begining of this year. Iv'e also
made a few friends, this is what this forum is all about.I haven't
been here long and i can't see anything need's changing at the
moment. May be wrong but i heard you get three mags a year,
would be nice to see an extra one so you get one every quarter.
It would give the new member something to look forward to once
every third month feature cars etc for his £30.
I'll be donating my £30 this year for my membership.

Dave.:)


The mags bi monthly and now full colour.

[English Impala]

What could the NSRA do to tempt you into joining as a member ???

If they could sort out the global recession and offer interest free loans then I'd rejoin.

Serously, I was a member for around 5 years & did it to support the scene that I was interested in. As time passed, I began to realise that perhaps my own car wasn't strictly what the NSRA was about, but I continued to support. About 18 months ago finances were getting tight and I had to let go of certain subscriptions that I could do without and the NSRA was one of them.

Will I rejoin? Maybe. When the Impala is 100% finished I will consider building another car, maybe a rod. If finances are improving I might rejoin the NSRA. If they aren't, I won't.

I have to say though that the bickering, **** stirring and also the occasional "lets pretend to be social workers" stint does not do the reputation of the NSRA any favours.

However, I am eternally gratefull for the paying members allowing parasites like me to use this site for free! ;)

[kapri]

Gary ,the last thing YOU are is a parasite .I've a job for you over the 'other place' shortly as well :)

[blownthames]

That is already available as a list of members willing to help in event of breakdown...Fellow Pages.

Hi Kev,
This one needs lookin at as not been done for a while has it...will put it on my to do list and hopefully republish next year for members as has proved useful to many.
Regards
Barry

[Adam]

US automotive give NSRA discount, im sure there was someone else mentioned as well but I forget who it was, I believe Dik Stapely is going to speak to vendors this year about this subject as it was brought up in the members are as well.

Just to make it clear it's 25% discount on in stock parts. Special orders are not included (or never were so apologies if incorrect).

[Adam]

Well all Steve was asking is what the club could do to temp you and that's not such a bad idea ;)


But it wouldn't be free would it. Your £30.oo would go to providing other T shirts thus limiting what the club could offer you, apart from a T shirt that is!

[movinghotrods]

I become a member just so i could advertise on the nsra member services page and to support the nsra

But since being removed from cars for sale i thought i better !! BUT no one looks at it !!

And i use to get about 3 to 4 mails a week on moving vehicles since i been on that page 1 mail !

but all the other trader's are still advertising their Services on parts for sale section !

times are hard !!!

[Shedster]

Though it might sound harsh, I'm afraid (being honest, which was what was asked for), the NSRA has nothing I want apart from this forum. As I've said on here several times before, I'm very grateful to be allowed to use this forum, I consider it a privilege, But I make my own parts, have a trader policy, don't do the events, and have six magazines a month to read anyway... That's just the way it is, sorry. :-)

[jsf55]

Though it might sound harsh, I'm afraid (being honest, which was what was asked for), the NSRA has nothing I want apart from this forum. As I've said on here several times before, I'm very grateful to be allowed to use this forum, I consider it a privilege, But I make my own parts, have a trader policy, don't do the events, and have six magazines a month to read anyway... That's just the way it is, sorry. :-)
£30 = £2:50 a month or 8.2p a day .... not much is it :)

[49anglia]

Its not alot IF the benefits are of use.

It is alot if its of no benefit to you.

If you only use the forum then your not going to want to pay membership.

Forums should be free.

A free forum is your way of attracting new people into the rodding scene/hobby.

I keep saying this.

Is there no way we can keep the forum out of the argument?

[kapri]

Nope unfortunately all the time people keep telling those who fund it that it "should be free" ,it does grate a bit when you are the pillock paying for it.:)

If it were free but to members only ;) would that change your attitude ? Seriously not trying to start a ruckwith you or any other guests as I've always supported 'you' being here but trying
1) to get you to look at it from paying members point of view and 2) to see how much you value the info you receive here ie if it was pay to use WOULD you ?

[Dragsterbus]

I used to be a member a while ago ,would i still get the same membership number (not that it matters,just wondering) can't remember why i let it lapse, might join again , The NSRA could sponsor the dragster ! ha ha

[Dragsterbus]

how much is it now ?

[49anglia]

If i had to pay to use the forum?

No, i'd be gone.


I have in the past made donations to forums i frequent alot to help out though.


Theres a bit of a circle of problems.

The way the forum is seems to offend the paid up members. The paid up members comments seem to offend the guests.
This gives the forum a bad feel at times which makes the guests even less likely to want to pay up to join, which offends the paid up members.

Banner adds are used to fund all the other forums i use and they cause no distraction at all and provide all the funding needed to run the forum.

If the NSRA wants to attract more paid up members then the bad atmosphere that frequents the board now and then needs to be stamped out. Then, maybe the guests would feel more comfortable and less pressured and would feel like they WANT to join.

I think the NSRA needs to take action to renew its reputation then people may want to pay up.


Thats just how i see the situation from an outsiders point of view. An observer as it were.

[Briz]

Well here we are, another year on and the same questions come up again.
Getting a bit fed up with being badgered to join. I'm the kind who is driven off by such tactics.
The only real good reason to join as I see it is to support the fight against creeping official encroachments on our areas of interest. Which isn't a bad motivation it must be said.
But I'm getting alienated by the constant low-level disdain for anything which isn't dead-centre core subject matter - (not gonna say 'pre 49') 'proper hot rods'. Often seems that membership of folks such as myself is only wanted to bolster funds.
I know the NSRA officially 'allows' anything pre '72 but the Italian oil workers in Lincolnshire are officially 'allowed' to be there - and they aint exactly popular!
We hear a lot about the NSRA members bankrolling this forum; how much exactly (or approximately) does this amount to? The software's installed, the mods & admin aint paid, so its just webspace rent? How about taking on some paid advertising? Each section could be sponsored by some rod-related business, surely? Works on Eurodragster.
I get on 5 or 6 other forums and nobody's ever getting on anyones case about running costs.
TBH, if the NASC had a forum, I'd use that more.

[vin likes diesel]

Just thought of this, when i do join does that mean i get to put my mk2 escort on the members site ,and if i turn up to a show supported by the nsra could i have my own little parking spot in the corner (at the bottom of the field ) :D, obviously said with tongue in cheek .but as a non member i think it is great that you let me post pictures on the guest rides ,and it seemed a good idea to separate the members ride from the guest as it keeps every happy, almost forgot i want to join so ican look onthe members post that is not available to non members ,it is a bit like when my mum told me not lick the hot iron . so i ended up with this:p

[physcult]

£30 = £2:50 a month or 8.2p a day .... not much is it :)

LOL, £2.50 PCM DD or standing order might attract people

[blownthames]

Its not alot IF the benefits are of use.

It is alot if its of no benefit to you.

If you only use the forum then your not going to want to pay membership.

Forums should be free.

A free forum is your way of attracting new people into the rodding scene/hobby.

I keep saying this.

Is there no way we can keep the forum out of the argument?

Hi,
forums should be free??..nice thought but it cost the NSRA £4400 last year so how would you produce this money..used to extend bandwiths so people could post pics for us all to enjoy etc....none paid doug or the mods before anyone asks, they work for free and should be applauded for the work they have done and are doing behind the scenes... it is free for guests like you to use as a resource but without the members it wouldn't be here..the maths are easy no members = no 30 quids = no club..no forum.. no free info or place to talk for rodders in the uk.... so to those who do pay THANK YOU, to those who dont think it's worth joining enjoy it while you can cos without people supportin the club wif 8p a day it will fold. oh and the members could pull the guests access if they wanted to, so worth joinin to keep access I reckon
Baz

[blownthames]

how much is it now ?

Just 30quid to you sir..

[smudge]

From my point of veiw on line registration would help, its a bit pathetic but it just never seems to happen during the day with work and family commitments but i sit down at the computer in the evening and think " i really should join", (i did manage one year though). Maybe because i dont really have a "correct" car at present , i have interests in a wide and diverse range of classic/modified old cars, i dont feel like a "hot rodder" but still have a interest in hot rods!
What about a small payment for full forum membership - as one other site on which i am a member, with online payment again.

[49anglia]

Well, as i said, advertising banners.

Thats what all the other forums do.

Your not going to get members by bringing this argument up over and over with all the constant little digs in between.

Then saying that a 70's steel ford with a large V8 isnt in keeping with the club but a glass body on a scimitar chassis is fine:rolleyes:

Seriously, ill do what i always do, bow out and come back in a few days/weeks/months and see if people have grown up yet.


I really do understand your point but you just said you allow non members to use the forum.

Great, im gratefull (seriously, i am!) but if you've already made the decision to let guests use the forum why keep on harassing us into paying to join a club we dont want to join?

You've made the decisions and set the ground rules.

Live with it.

If you cant, then make it members only and wait till the NSRA dies a natural death.

[kapri]

If i had to pay to use the forum?

No, i'd be gone.


I have in the past made donations to forums i frequent alot to help out though.


Theres a bit of a circle of problems.

The way the forum is seems to offend the paid up members. The paid up members comments seem to offend the guests.
This gives the forum a bad feel at times which makes the guests even less likely to want to pay up to join, which offends the paid up members.

Banner adds are used to fund all the other forums i use and they cause no distraction at all and provide all the funding needed to run the forum.

If the NSRA wants to attract more paid up members then the bad atmosphere that frequents the board now and then needs to be stamped out. Then, maybe the guests would feel more comfortable and less pressured and would feel like they WANT to join.

I think the NSRA needs to take action to renew its reputation then people may want to pay up.


Thats just how i see the situation from an outsiders point of view. An observer as it were.


Valid points .Yup, I agree there does become an atmosphere on here but it usually from the more extreme of both sides, how many actually post to moan about 'non paying ' guests compared with those that help ALL regardless ?

The pendulum swings the other way, how many guests are herr that constantly drag up the same old 'chip on the shoulder stuff' or deliberately post comments or threads to offend the extreme end ofthe membership. Ignore them both and this place is just fine.

hav eyou seen the figures posted by Blownthames ? You can see why members are abit touchy when they feel their hospitality is being ignored. As you've made donations to other forums why not view £30 as a contribution to this place and don't take up the membership as you don't 'do clubs?

[49anglia]

Because i dont have the £30 to give and feel like its being bullied out of me.

[Dragsterbus]

Just 30quid to you sir..
Do i get a sticker ! (getting excited now !)

[blownthames]

Well here we are, another year on and the same questions come up again.
Getting a bit fed up with being badgered to join. I'm the kind who is driven off by such tactics.
The only real good reason to join as I see it is to support the fight against creeping official encroachments on our areas of interest. Which isn't a bad motivation it must be said.
But I'm getting alienated by the constant low-level disdain for anything which isn't dead-centre core subject matter - (not gonna say 'pre 49') 'proper hot rods'. Often seems that membership of folks such as myself is only wanted to bolster funds.
I know the NSRA officially 'allows' anything pre '72 but the Italian oil workers in Lincolnshire are officially 'allowed' to be there - and they aint exactly popular!
We hear a lot about the NSRA members bankrolling this forum; how much exactly (or approximately) does this amount to? The software's installed, the mods & admin aint paid, so its just webspace rent? How about taking on some paid advertising? Each section could be sponsored by some rod-related business, surely? Works on Eurodragster.
I get on 5 or 6 other forums and nobody's ever getting on anyones case about running costs.
TBH, if the NASC had a forum, I'd use that more.

Hi
As i said the NSRA bankrolled the forum to the tune of £4400 last year..that money came from it's members..should they pay for it?

There not enough traders in the Uk to cover that sort of banner advertising...we don't get enough hits on the site to charge enough to cover it and we already recieve sponsorship from them for giveaway cars, spot prizes etc at our shows...

with the credit crunch hitting them hard some are struggling just to cover the costs of shows and stands...

The NASC don't want a forum..they've seen how much ours costs and how much trouble it produces!!! ask Mark he'll tell yer

If helpin the fight against official encrouchments aint enough of a reason the what is???
Barry

[Pontiac461]

See, I like it all. I always thought the strength of the hobby in the country was that you could go to events and see a 32 next to a hopped up muscle car, next to a custom Capri.
I can't really get with the people I've met who say "I drive a muscle car, why would you drive a silly looking street rod" or "course, you drive a muscle car but I suppose you'd really like a rod one day, you drive a Mopar but GM is best etc etc.,"
The variety and unique style of the scene here is great. I WILL join this year, because the membership fee is worth it purely for the history section on this site. Those trips down memory lane are golden...as I often recount, a seminal point in my life was getting boll*cked during a school soccer match for stopping to watch a 66 Chevelle going full chat down the bypass that ran upside the field. Once i saw and heard that, there was no doubt where my future lie. You either get it or you don't and I think everyone in here, gets it.

[blownthames]

Well, as i said, advertising banners.

Thats what all the other forums do.

Your not going to get members by bringing this argument up over and over with all the constant little digs in between.

Then saying that a 70's steel ford with a large V8 isnt in keeping with the club but a glass body on a scimitar chassis is fine:rolleyes:

Seriously, ill do what i always do, bow out and come back in a few days/weeks/months and see if people have grown up yet.


I really do understand your point but you just said you allow non members to use the forum.

Great, im gratefull (seriously, i am!) but if you've already made the decision to let guests use the forum why keep on harassing us into paying to join a club we dont want to join?

You've made the decisions and set the ground rules.

Live with it.

If you cant, then make it members only and wait till the NSRA dies a natural death.

The committee didn't it was started by a member so we'll wat to see what they want to do with the info...

oh and the NSRA did exist for a very long time without the forum and i'm sure would do again.
barry

[49anglia]

And yes, it is the minority, on both sides, that causes the atmosphere. However, its this atmosphere that is giving the club a bad name and putting people off.

Ive heard this said many times on other car forums.

I never judge other peoples cars. I respect everyones opinions and likes.

I just want to build cool cars that i like, then drive them.

I live to build cars, thats pretty much all i do. If im not building my cars, im helping other people build theirs.

I use the forums (all the car forums i use) to get a little inspiration/advice and try and help other people with whatever i can.

The thing is, most car forums are run by people that want to run them because of the love they have to the hobby. It is then funded finatualy by adverts and helped along with the odd donation.

I appreciate that for whatever reason the NSRA doesnt want to use adverts but it could.

Why rely purely on NSRA member fees to run the forum? It seems like an obvious route to tension and self destruction.

[blownthames]

Do i get a sticker ! (getting excited now !)

Yep...a little one wif a date and NSRA written on it...and cos we like you you can have a tax disc holder too!! I might even ask Sue to send you your own card wif your name on it if you'd like that...LOL
Baz

[cossie pop]

Ive saved ££££££S more than £30. joining fee just from the help and info on my project got the form here ready to go just need the £30 now :o got a couple of parts im moving on so should be sorted by the end of the month can you join at the swop meet at arena ?
it seems that some see the nsra as just this forum and dont realise the bigger picture with the upcoming battles keeping our cars on the road one way to encourage members who just want the forum is to make the for sale section members only
but each to their own :D
adrian

[49anglia]

I was typing my reply when you mentioned about teh adverts brian.

Could you not use advertising from other areas?

Retro rides has a ever changing advert banner that pics up on key words in the thread to display apropriate adds (sometimes with comedic effect :)).

The situation always remains the same though.

people wont want to pay just to use a forum.

If the decision was made to let guest use it then that should be honered without the bullying.


Im just trying to help by discussing options here.

[kapri]

The problem here is that this place is a victim of it's own success. It was started in a message board style about 8 years back. It has slowly progressed at the members request but it has never said NSRA members only, even at the very beginning. If it had been this way from the off this valuable resource, that invokes so many different emotions in people would have been deniedt to many and I'm sure their projects would not have progressed anything like as quickly.

When this form of the forum was launched about 16 months back it had a membership of about 1500 , that has doubled so something must keep them coming back here ( even if it's only to watch the arguements ;) ?

[Dragsterbus]

Yep...a little one wif a date and NSRA written on it...and cos we like you you can have a tax disc holder too!! I might even ask Sue to send you your own card wif your name on it if you'd like that...LOL
Baz
**** it I'm joining !
Woo Hoo i get a sticker i get a sticker !

[Alcoholic Rat]

Sometimes i really wish someone else was chairman , just for an hour or so because the Chairmans opinion gagging order really sucks sometimes.:D

[Dragsterbus]

If you did do the banner thing 'The Intergalactic Custom Shop' (01789 450001) Would prob be up for that too

[49anglia]

The problem here is that this place is a victim of it's own success. It was started in a message board style about 8 years back. It has slowly progressed at the members request but it has never said NSRA members only, even at the very beginning. If it had been this way from the off this valuable resource, that invokes so many different emotions in people would have been deniedt to many and I'm sure their projects would not have progressed anything like as quickly.

When this form of the forum was launched about 16 months back it had a membership of about 1500 , that has doubled so something must keep them coming back here ?


Victim of its own success. Yes, thats been the death of many a forum.

To risk mentioning them again, RR has done a very good job of avoiding this even though its membership is now ver large and the board very active.

It has managed to keep its comunity feel by various means.

Anything off topic is deleted imediately and any bad vibes ar either stamped out by the forum members or the thread is simply deleted and offenders suspended from the board.

[Dragsterbus]

Sometimes i really wish someone else was chairman , just for an hour or so because the Chairmans opinion gagging order really sucks sometimes.:D
I'll do it for an hour ! ( Power at last wohahahahah )

[totus]

I think I still can post in this section as my name hasn't changed colour yet.

I have paid up this year as I have found the advice fast and very constuctive, I have used the free parts relay and helped with it when I could, posted where I thought I could help in the tech section.

I dont goive a rats a55 whether the car is pre 49 or not, I dont think any of my projects really qualify to be on this sita as a Rod (maybe the T but its 1973!!)

being a scotsman I dont give cash away unless I feel I am getting something for it!!

A rolling membership would be a good idea and may save waiting for a couple months for your name to turn GREEN

Online payment would also be good

as for the rest keep as is, I love it

Brian

[GlennC]

Time to add my bit, i'm lazy can't really excuse my self, in the beginning i was lurking to see what it is all about, "am i one of them" for example.
like most have said on line and rolling membership will catch me when i am not being lazy (or poor), as for benefits i may not use them i am not a clubby person (ask farncombepop......one day!!!!) the main reason is i dont do small talk and i know what i know but may well be out of my depth when it comes to "rodding".
i will also comment on a few things said here whilst it's easy to spot peoples passion about membership (hi there kev) i think WE may have mistaken it as a "pop" when THEY are just asking what would make you interested in membership?
sure one or two do include a dig now and then but it's because they are passionate that it's said not that WE are hated, plus one or two or guests are not that humble about getting something for free, i will pay because i know nothings free and i want the "free" help to continue.
if i could change something at all??? hmm i think rodding is a concept and in principle can be done to post 49ers and no i dont mean pugs, i would like more people to see the concept and not a strict definination after all the early cars won't be around forever.
don't take offence with my thoughts on change i come here with a "as is" attitude so if the club changes that way fine if not fine-- i am a newby i don't have to be here or have the right to demand that YOU fit ME.

Glenn

[Briz]

As i said the NSRA bankrolled the forum to the tune of £4400 last year..that money came from it's members..should they pay for it?


Hmmm never realised it amounted to that much! Fair enough. 'Should they pay for it?' well, what else is being suggested?


There not enough traders in the Uk to cover that sort of banner advertising...we don't get enough hits on the site to charge enough to cover it and we already recieve sponsorship from them for giveaway cars, spot prizes etc at our shows...

Well, to what extent has this been explored? Wasn't suggesting that ALL the expenses would be covered, but every little helps, right? Hit counts are surely misleading in this case as pretty well everyone who gets on here would be target market candidates. Ol' Langy apparently fields an awful lot of customer enquiries via this site if I remember a recent thread about PM quotas right.


with the credit crunch hitting them hard some are struggling just to cover the costs of shows and stands...

Yeah, no getting around a downturn, but again, to what extent has this been looked into?. Doesn't have to be core rod businesses, how 'bout american parts businesses? shipping? Many firms are regularly recommended here by users. These people are as much benefiting from the NSRA forum as us freedloading guests.


The NASC don't want a forum..they've seen how much ours costs and how much trouble it produces!!! ask Mark he'll tell yer

Yeah I know. Shame. Not so much 'trouble; tho, its just life!


If helpin the fight against official encrouchments aint enough of a reason the what is???
Barry

Cant argue with that.

[Alcoholic Rat]

Victim of its own success. Yes, thats been the death of many a forum.

To risk mentioning them again, RR has done a very good job of avoiding this even though its membership is now ver large and the board very active.

It has managed to keep its comunity feel by various means.

Anything off topic is deleted imediately and any bad vibes ar either stamped out by the forum members or the thread is simply deleted and offenders suspended from the board.


No No NO, Thats it , cant hold it back anymore:D


The above highlighted paragraph is exactly what happens here then we get grief for doing it. You yourself Graham posted that we are picky over what goes on on here yet its now ok for RR to delete etc when it happens over there.:confused::confused::confused::confused::con fused::confused:




Then saying that a 70's steel ford with a large V8 isnt in keeping with the club but a glass body on a scimitar chassis is fine:rolleyes:

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Yes exactly the first is a STOCK yanky motor the second is a Hotrod/streetrod and built by a rodder NOT a factory.


You must remember this is the CLUBS forum not a free forum , guests are here as a priviledge NOT a right.

[Jon100e]

I've used the forum for a while now and I am going to join up. Just got to fill in the form and send the £30.

[J1MMY]

Good ideas Nifty :) so to follow on from that the biggest selling point is the forum is paid for by NSRA members.No members ,no forum :(

The above ISN'T designed to provoke a ruck but you asked to sell what is good about the NSRA and this forum, freely given to all from NSRA members funds , is often overlooked.

I would say that the 'free' tech advice ( from both NSRA members AND guests ) on here must be worth 0.75P per week to anyone without taking into consideration ANY of the other advantages? Without this place to exchange that info we'd all be a lot worse off ?


Got to go... Langy will be along to ******k me for posting on the wrong thread ;) :)

I use forums where you can donate towards the cost of the forum, as little or as much as you can afford. I'd happily paypal a few quid now and again, as I'm sure others would. Banner advertising is also a good idea.:)


The membership form asks you to agree to T&Cs that you're not allowed to see until you've joined. That's a deal breaker for me.

Yikes! Really?:eek:

Being told that I'm an idiot by a member just for having a difference of opinion is fairly offputting, regardless of who thinks who is wrong or right. If that is what the NSRA want in their members then it's not for me/I'm not for them. Having a vehicle that is outside of the remit (too modern) is also a spanner in the works, nothing is forever though - maybe my 50's Kustom truck isn't so far away.:)

I don't use the forum because of the flag that it flies under (NSRA), it's in my favourites because of some of it's contents. The knowledge on the forum - technical, contacts, classifieds and general is very useful and some of the reading very interesting. I hope to get to meet some of the people on here - members AND guests, and their vehicles, one day. I don't believe in something for nothing so I'd be happy, as I said above, to donate to the running of the forum.

BUT, I'd want my status changed from Guest to donater(sp) or similar, just to stop some of the more overzealous members from questioning my right to be here. Some members may want to think from the perspective of if they are slightly less surly to guests and they may make the idea of membership more enticing, rather than making people on feel that the only way they will be worthy/priviledged enough to be here is to join. The forum is the online public face of the NSRA.

Just my 2p.:)

Edit - dammit, took too long to type this reply. Sorry if brings up anything that has already been covered.

[Dragsterbus]

For those that don't know where do you get the form ? (and how long does the sticker take to arrive?)

[Alcoholic Rat]

Here.

http://www.nsra.org.uk/

[49anglia]

No, i was refering to 70's british fords being fitted with V8's, not stock yanks. Ive seen these criticised for not being suited to the forums.


As for the thread moderation, they only delete things which are Off Topic, i.e. not about cars. Thats the rules, everyone knows it.

If someone started a 'what did you have for breakfast' thread in rodding discussion dont you think it should be deleted?

It keeps the forum clean.

I dont think threads with 'non apropriate' cars should be deleted!

This should be self moderated as people should know whats accepted and what isnt.

This is where the BIG problem lies. No-one can really put down any serious rules about that as everyone has a different opinion. Its all well and good saying 'pre 72' but whats pre 72 about a brand new chassis and a 'glass body?
Anyhow, im not wanting to start that argument again.

[kapri]

Victim of its own success. Yes, thats been the death of many a forum.

To risk mentioning them again, RR has done a very good job of avoiding this even though its membership is now ver large and the board very active.

It has managed to keep its comunity feel by various means.

Anything off topic is deleted imediately and any bad vibes ar either stamped out by the forum members or the thread is simply deleted and offenders suspended from the board.

As you may have noticed all that deletion / moderation stuff is greatly resisted here :) Over on RR they are all 'just' forum members and you are correct that is where so many of the issues start from on here .Having said that as a lurker over there from time to time it's not as troublefree as many say it is ;)

[Nick]

£4400! You've been robbed, the traffic this site has it should easily pay for itself with minimal advertising. Hosting is not that expensive now either, you should maybe look to move to someone like http://register1.net/ you could run a dedicated server that will easily cope with this (2TB traffic and 80 gig storage) for £50 a month.

[49anglia]

I use forums where you can donate towards the cost of the forum, as little or as much as you can afford. I'd happily paypal a few quid now and again, as I'm sure others would. Banner advertising is also a good idea.:)




I don't use the forum because of the flag that it flies under (NSRA), it's in my favourites because of some of it's contents. The knowledge on the forum - technical, contacts, classifieds and general is very useful and some of the reading very interesting.
BUT, I'd want my status changed from Guest to donater(sp) or similar, just to stop some of the more overzealous members from questioning my right to be here. Some members may want to think from the perspective of if they are slightly less surly to guests and they may make the idea of membership more enticing, rather than making people on feel that the only way they will be worthy/priviledged enough to be here is to join. The forum is the online public face of the NSRA.

Just my 2p.:)



Agreed!!!!

Would a 'donation' payment scheme and a 'donator' status be hard to impelent?

I would be happy to make small donations as and when i could.

I just get seriously ****ed off when i feel someones trying to make me do something.

Thats why im self employed and dont live with my mum :D

[J1MMY]

As you may have noticed all that deletion / moderation stuff is greatly resisted here :) Over on RR they are all 'just' forum members and you are correct that is where so many of the issues start from on here .Having said that as a lurker over there from time to time it's not as troublefree as many say it is ;)

No it's not, especially in past months.

But I'm not with you on the assertion that forum "members" are the trouble on here any more than "real" members. It would seem that it's ok for "real" members to say what they like, yet "forum" members can too......as long as they watch what they say.

[Bumper]

I think this all begs the question to guests-
If there was another national club that ran a similar forum which was say a little more 'open and accepting' of a wider variation of modified vehicles would you come here??

[J1MMY]

Agreed!!!!

Would a 'donation' payment scheme and a 'donator' status be hard to impelent?

I would be happy to make small donations as and when i could.

I just get seriously *wee*ed off when i feel someones trying to make me do something.

Thats why im self employed and dont live with my mum :D

No. A paypal address set up would be enough, and payments sent as a gift wouldn't incur charges on the part of the recipient of the funds. And Admins/moderators can change Guest/Member to anything they like.

[kapri]

No, i was refering to 70's british fords being fitted with V8's, not stock yanks. Ive seen these criticised for not being suited to the forums.


As for the thread moderation, they only delete things which are Off Topic, i.e. not about cars. Thats the rules, everyone knows it.

If someone started a 'what did you have for breakfast' thread in rodding discussion dont you think it should be deleted?

It keeps the forum clean.

I dont think threads with 'non apropriate' cars should be deleted!

This should be self moderated as people should know whats accepted and what isnt.

This is where the BIG problem lies. No-one can really put down any serious rules about that as everyone has a different opinion. Its all well and good saying 'pre 72' but whats pre 72 about a brand new chassis and a 'glass body?
Anyhow, im not wanting to start that argument again.

Unforunately those who have done it understand it re replicas of early body styles etc. Forum rules are simple and I believe will be made clearer shortly ,.pre 72 modified rwd front engine in the spirit of rodding . One of the other problems is that what this club and forum is about has never been put up in large letters for all to see. Probably because ,like my first sentence those that do it know what 'it' is ?

Maybe once it is up in large letters ALL forum users shoudl be pointed to it and then make their own decision if this is the right place for them?
If they them decide to stay they woull have to accept the rules and moderation to that effect to keep a clear focus on whatt the club is about.

Any whinging from guests or members about rules,on open forum ,to be deleted .

[49anglia]

I think this all begs the question to guests-
If there was another national club that ran a similar forum which was say a little more 'open and accepting' of a wider variation of modified vehicles would you come here??


I really dont think theres enough folks to support more than one rod/kustom forum in the UK, not and keep it good.

Its been tried and they have failed.

Thats why we need to keep all of us, members and non members together.

Come on folks, whats this all about? Its about the cars, our love for them and our love for the lifestyle.
We need to stick together and enjoy what we have.

[49anglia]

If you want a wider range of modified clasics then RR is the place.

I use both, any cars i own that wouldnt be appreciated on here i talk about on there. Anything i own that i think you guys will like i post on here about.

[cabby]

Resist, Resist, Resist........

[kapri]

I think this all begs the question to guests-
If there was another national club that ran a similar forum which was say a little more 'open and accepting' of a wider variation of modified vehicles would you come here??

There was one started about 18 months back due to the supposed dislike of this place. It was called the Hot Rod Independent Forum, it had a flurry of activity , attracted a couple of hundred members and died the death within about 3 months . Maybe someone else should try again ?


This IS the place to be if you want to know what is happening in the British scene ( not any specific genre other forums worldwide for that. ) If only people would accept this place for what it is NOT what they want or expect it to be ?

[Pontiac461]

I think this all begs the question to guests-
If there was another national club that ran a similar forum which was say a little more 'open and accepting' of a wider variation of modified vehicles would you come here??

Personally, on that tack I always thought the theory of the NASC was to be a bit more open to other things. and I guess I always say myself as a street machiner rather than a rodder It's difficult though, because on the one hand I don't get the whole pre 49 thing, on the other a forum which included everything up to an ali-winged, pumping stero equipped Skyline wouldn't be my ideal either. For me it'sthe modified thing, so as a musclecar fan, I see a caged, stroker motored Camaro as part of the scene, but not a st0ck 75 DeVille. Other people might have a different view of things. "Why can't we all just get along" is the phrase that springs to mind.
I'm too new to this forum to say if it's ideal or not, but it does carry huge traffic and does stimulate a lot of debate and that in itself has to be a good thing. ;)

[Alcoholic Rat]

Resist, Resist, Resist........

Tried that for some 13 pages , not possible , temptation is a terrible thing (unless its a C Cab):D:D:D

[Dragsterbus]

For those interested Will you be taking membership payments at the swap meet ? and if not don't you think it would be a good idea

[Alcoholic Rat]

Yes.

[Dragsterbus]

(unless its a C Cab):D:D:D
Tell me about it !

[49anglia]

Unforunately those who have done it understand it re replicas of early body styles etc. Forum rules are simple and I believe will be made clearer shortly ,.pre 72 modified rwd front engine in the spirit of rodding . One of the other problems is that what this club and forum is about has never been put up in large letters for all to see. Probably because ,like my first sentence those that do it know what 'it' is ?

Maybe once it is up in large letters ALL forum users shoudl be pointed to it and then make their own decision if this is the right place for them?
If they them decide to stay they woull have to accept the rules and moderation to that effect to keep a clear focus on whatt the club is about.

Any whinging from guests or members about rules,on open forum ,to be deleted .


I fully agree with this. Replica body's arent my thing but i believe they have a ritefull place in the scene.

[49anglia]

So, can we have a 'donations' button and 'donator' status or not?

Would that put the whole issue to bed finally?

The those that want to take advantage of full membership can and those who dont can donate what the see fit and life will be roses once again.

If the donations thing cant be sorted out then i see no way forward other than to stamp out the negativity towards non members or ban non members completely.
Neither of those 2 other options are very apealing to anyone i'd guess.

[loon]

For those interested Will you be taking membership payments at the swap meet ? and if not don't you think it would be a good idea

this was done before i think
i'm sure i joined in 1990 at a swap meet when it was under cover in a large hanger, but i may be wrong

L:eek:N

[Pontiac461]

So does a new Dynacorn body "69 Camaro" count as pre 72???

[Battersea Boys]

£4400! You've been robbed, the traffic this site has it should easily pay for itself with minimal advertising. Hosting is not that expensive now either, you should maybe look to move to someone like http://register1.net/ you could run a dedicated server that will easily cope with this (2TB traffic and 80 gig storage) for £50 a month.

who,s getting paid the £4.4K

[ROCKIT]

So, can we have a 'donations' button and 'donator' status or not?

Would that put the whole issue to bed finally?

The those that want to take advantage of full membership can and those who dont can donate what the see fit and life will be roses once again.

If the donations thing cant be sorted out then i see no way forward other than to stamp out the negativity towards non members or ban non members completely.
Neither of those 2 other options are very apealing to anyone i'd guess.


"So, can we have a 'donations' button and 'donator' status or not ?"


Now who's bullying ?

[kapri]

who,s getting paid the £4.4K


You can ask at the AGM.

[49anglia]

I believe that was a genuine question.

[Battersea Boys]

If thats the cost put me down for membership,i think,....erm

[Shedster]

I think this all begs the question to guests-
If there was another national club that ran a similar forum which was say a little more 'open and accepting' of a wider variation of modified vehicles would you come here??

If it had the same level of interest, traffic, and knowledgable users, then yes I would. As it is, this is the only forum I visit (unless there's a link on here to something cool in HAMB), I think this is a great forum, very enthusiastic and knowledgable people on here, both guests and members. It's UK based, which suits me, and I consider it a very valuable resource - I really do enjoy coming on here every day. If it cost a tenner a year to be a forum user, I'd probably pay it. But I wouldn't pay 30 quid to join the NSRA, as it's too restrictive for me. I'm generally interested in any old cars and bikes, but all this pre-49, pre-72, no Volksrods, no custom bikes business is just a downer as far as I'm concerned (and is almost designed to upset people and lead to arguments). As it is I can put hundreds of hours into a scratch-built old school style bike, literally made by hand, be welcomed at NSRA Shows and events, and still not be able to show anyone on here what I've done when it's finished because it doesn't have enough wheels. But if paid 30 quid, I could post photos of a 2009 unicycle. Ditto the guys with old stock Yanks who get stick every now and again on here. I understand and appreciate that it's the NSRA forum, and they can make whatever rules suit them, but I find it odd that you can be a member without any valid car at all, attend shows with a wide variety of vehicles, yet the forum itself (which in many ways is the lifeblood) is so restrictive. So in truth I'm here by default because there isn't a British forum that caters for those of us with a more general interest in the 'custom scene' - personally I consider it a very sad situation that this forum isn't actually it.

Yes, I know I could join and post what I like, but I don't want to be part of anything as exclusive as a 'Members Only' section - if I've got something to say or show, I think it should be open to all users.

So I think at the moment this forum is caught between two stools. Either it should close ranks and decide on a rigid 'Members Only' and a very clear definition of what's acceptable, and a strict and consistent deletion of what isn't. In which case hopefully someone will start another forum of more general custom interest that the rest of us can participate in. Or it decides that this forum is and d*mn well should be the absolute best resource available to the UK custom scene, ease right up on the restrictions that inevitably lead the the regular bun-fights, and settle for the common sense view that what is important or interesting will remain an active thread, and what isn't will drop off the page PDQ. You might get the odd agitation from those with nothing better to do, but for the most part I think the users are bright enough to be self-policing.

Just my opinion of course... ;):rolleyes:

Hugs

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[kapri]

Odgie, the real problem is that the club that caters for what you require (NASC ) refuses to set up a forum. So by default this place ends up trying to be used in a manner other than it's supposed to be.

The other problem is those involved in the scene( like you know your bobbers from choppers ) know what this place is meant to be about. If it's written on the front door for newcomers to this place then I don't think we'd have the problems as you realise before entering what you are getting into and play by the rules laid down...Blue Oyster Bar Stylee:)

[58 delray]

getting back to steves original question,
1) online registration
2) rolling membership

for me the second is the most important as as someone else has mentioned dec/jan is a very expensive time of year for a lot of people,
andy

[49anglia]

This is veering in another direction again then.

I know the last 10 or so pages werent exactly answering the origional question but now were starting to steer towards 'apropriate forum use' rather than debating whether people should 'pay for the forum', or indeed the origional question of 'whats stopping you from joining the NSRA'


Can i ask another question? I know this is going in yet another direction:rolleyes:


Would the members be happier if all the guests f****d off?

If guests arent going to join, would you rather they werent here at all? Or, is their imput, knowledge and project stories still appreciated?


That question isnt aimed at any individual, just aimed at 'members' obviously.

[58 delray]

This is veering in another direction again then.

I know the last 10 or so pages werent exactly answering the origional question but now were starting to steer towards 'apropriate forum use' rather than debating whether people should 'pay for the forum', or indeed the origional question of 'whats stopping you from joining the NSRA'


Can i ask another question? I know this is going in yet another direction:rolleyes:


Would the members be happier if all the guests f****d off?

If guests arent going to join, would you rather they werent here at all? Or, is their imput, knowledge and project stories still appreciated?


That question isnt aimed at any individual, just aimed at 'members' obviously.

maybe you should ask this as a seperate question as like you say its vearing away from the original question

[49anglia]

Yeah, fair point.

[evilzee28]

Would the members be happier if all the guests f****d off?

If guests arent going to join, would you rather they werent here at all? Or, is their imput, knowledge and project stories still appreciated?


That question isnt aimed at any individual, just aimed at 'members' obviously.


Maybe this should be another thread??

It's odd that only 46 members replied to their questions but 163 replies have been posted in the guests thread. It did ask that only guests replied to the question but it seems the members have answered as well. There have been 4088 views of the guests question but only 1251 for the members question. Are there more guests on here than members, does anyone know the ratio of members versus guests on here???

I was a member of the NSRA a few years ago but don't feel that I'd want to join at this moment in time. To me it feels as if you're being bullied to join up or become a member. By being a guest you also feel as if you're not really welcome on the forum, so that's why I won't join. :eek:.

[nealie]

I'm not a member because I dont have an acceptable car at the moment, plain and simple.

The forum is good fun (most of the time) and very useful to pick the brains of the more knowledgeable amoungst us when in need.

I was going to join a year or so ago, but after a couple of, well, plain rude and bullying emails from a member, i thought better of it.

I do what i can to promote the NSRA whenever I can, but at the end of the day, I dont get the insurance benefits and a press pass gets me in to the shows I need to.

[English Impala]

I was going to join a year or so ago, but after a couple of, well, plain rude and bullying emails from a member, i thought better of it.

Although those are in a minority, it only takes a little bit of sh!t to cause a bad smell.

With some of the work you've done I would have expected you to have had 100% support from everyone here. Very sad. :(

[J1MMY]

Unless I misread it's 40 guests to 1 member.

Kapri is right about nailing the rules to the front door, as it were.

I don't know the reasons behind this, why won't the NASC run a forum? Has there been problems? Apologies if this has been touched on already, I have read the entire thread but can't keep doing so every time I come back to it.

[B-520]

First, thanks for the forum.

I have a lot of fun reading the stuff on here, good and bad.

I take no offence about the pressure to join, unfortunately it is not worth me joining. 3,500 mile is a long way to drive to get to a show:DThat is the ONLY reason for me not joining.

The reason to join is not for this forum, though it is fun, it is to give money into a collective pot to support the hobby and fight the legislation that WILL destroy our rights to drive the cars we love. [xx(] Plus you get a sticker and tax disc holder:D

I belong to the NSRA (USA) for that reason only. Anything else is bonus.

[Roadrunna]

Hi,
forums should be free??..nice thought but it cost the NSRA £4400 last year so how would you produce this money..used to extend bandwiths so people could post pics for us all to enjoy etc....none paid doug or the mods before anyone asks

Now there's a post to induce guilt trips lol and a totally unfair one at that.

As has been posted before. That is a stupid amount to have paid for a years service (including the costs to upgrade to a new server) and should seriously be looked towards being reduced.

Even a high spec dedicated server (more than enough to run this site) with unlimited bandwidth and plenty of disk space would only run to just over £1,000 per year.

Vbulletin licence is less than £70 leased per year or £130 one off for an owned licence.

So what's the actual number of Paid up NSRA members then ?

I had a scan through the site but couldn't find any numbers. Say there's 2,000 paid up members (Adjust the figures accordingly if the actual membership is different).

If the forum costs were rationalised to a realistic and achievable level then out of the £30 only around 60p PER YEAR (5p p/m, 0.1p p/d for those that like to break down the figures) would be taken out to fund the site.

I can see the point of £30 per year not being much for some and certainly making a difference for others. If the only benefit certain people get from that £30 is 60p worth (the forum) then it's common sense to see why they wouldn't join.


Even if the costs weren't rationalised and stuck at £4,400 per year that's still only a cost per membership of £2.20 per year (based on a guess of 2,000 members).

Hardly the be all and end all figure that it's being made out to be in my honest opinion and definitely not what should be used to justify the membership cost.

[tattooaddict]

I will be joining once ive finished my pop at the moment any spare cash is being spent on the build :)

[kapri]

Hardly the be all and end all figure that it's being made out to be in my honest opinion and definitely not what should be used to justify the membership cost.


I don't think it's being used so much to justify membership as to show this place costs something ,no matter how much or little., to the membership :).Membership cost has remained the same for about 5 years to my knowledge ,way before this forum , and possibly the other was up and running.In that way previously the Forum costs have never been apportioned to the benefits or factored into membership fees.

The biggest expense in the past has been The Gasser mag.Membership costs go to a variety of expenses includng topping up the funds needed to put on shows which are then discounted to those that put into the pot before the event.

[49anglia]

I don't think it's being used so much to justify membership as to show this place costs something ,no matter how much or little., to the membership :).Membership cost has remained the same for about 5 years to my knowledge ,way before this forum , and possibly the other was up and running.In that way previously the Forum costs have never been apportioned to the benefits or factored into membership fees.

The biggest expense in the past has been The Gasser mag.Membership costs go to a variety of expenses includng topping up the funds needed to put on shows which are then discounted to those that put into the pot before the event.

So the forum was/is provided no matter what the costs and paying members dont contribute to its running costs.

The membership covers the mags and shows and refunded back to members in the way of discounts for entry fees.


In that case it makes no difference if guests join or not as we dont take advantage of anything that the paying members pay for, i.e. the magazines and we pay extra for show entry.


Only issue then is we arent contributing to help towards the NSRA's fight for our rights as car modifiers. Well, there's a hell of a lot of car modifiers in all scenes that dont do that either.

[weemark]

So the forum was/is provided no matter what the costs and paying members dont contribute to its running costs.

The membership covers the mags and shows and refunded back to members in the way of discounts for entry fees.


In that case it makes no difference if guests join or not as we dont take advantage of anything that the paying members pay for, i.e. the magazines and we pay extra for show entry.


Only issue then is we arent contributing to help towards the NSRA's fight for our rights as car modifiers. Well, there's a hell of a lot of car modifiers in all scenes that dont do that either.

of course members pay for it, where does the 4400 come from if they dont???

[49anglia]

But membership costs were the same before this forum and those costs arrived.

Therefore the cost was swallowed anyhow.

Either the forum costs are just swallowed by teh club or the club already makes excess money and therefore didnt need to raise membership prices to cover the forum.


All depends how you look at it.

Its all slightly 'hair splitting' and not 'super serious' anyway as without proper facts/figures/accounts its all just vauge theory.

Anyhow, makes no odds to me, i couldnt care less either way.

I dont want to join the NSRA but have offered to make donations to help cover forum costs.

Dont really see what more i can do.

I just dislike the bullying into paying for something i dont want, with the forum being used as the excuse for doing so, then it being implied that membership costs dont pay for the forum anyway!

[kapri]

Sorry you are still missing the point , the money to pay for this forum comes from the club funds which are funded by membership .No members = no money? No members= no committee = no volunteers to put on events that generate income ( sometimes ) to top up the funds.
The cost have been swallowed correct, membership costs did not rise to cover the this forum but was provided as an additional benefit to members from their joining fees.


The figures given are general as the finer details are privy only to those who have joined as per any club.

I understand you see no benefit to joining , glad to say that many other new members don't see it that way.

[49anglia]

Yep, i understand all that.

All i want to do is be able to use the forum without any guilt trips, without feeling like some members think i have no right to be here or that my opinion doesnt count.

It seems like the clubs policy of letting guests use the forum is done under duress rather than for the good of the club. I understand the forum is paid for by the members (in one way or another) but you cant have a 'guests allowed' rule then resent guests for being here!!

If i ever decide i want to start going to the shows, or need to use the insurance then i will join the club. Im not AGAINST joining.

Untill then, if guests are still allowed, ill cary on using the forum. If a 'donation' button arrives i will use it:)

[wheelie]

Hi, I haven't read all 18 pages and don't intend to so sorry if someone else suggested this, but couldn't guests be given a credit of say 50 posts to get them hooked and then they would have to join to continue using it.

I joined because I felt guilty just taking info etc from here and I was also appreciative of the help and support given by members and guests. It's no different to using gas at home and not paying for it!

Ady

[Bumper]

A suggestion or two if not made already,
1- Have an inclusive section which would be accessible to members and guests for any vehicle/bike
2- Have the rodding discussion section and members only sections just that so the NSRA sorts the internal bun fights.
3- All other sections would be available to members but could be available to guests for a 'forum user fee' of X amount.
This would allow a guest such as myself access to all I want for a nominal ammount, I don't have to worry about 'is my thread strictly rod related 'or any of the other bull that rears its head here every other week.Which mainly stems from members concerns on is it strictly rod related. This thread alone has proved there's more concern from a bigger guest audience than members and I would hazard a guess its the usual member suspects who throw the first bun every time anyway. I have the tech side for advice, for sale and want adds, which for guests could even carry a small fee to advertise on. I'm putting something in the NSRA 'kitty' for admins, legal support etc.I appreciate there would me more to it than that and a bit of fine tuning but does all this sound good/bad ideas, what? Or is the initial question on this thread partially a fund raising exercise?

[kapri]

Only a few 'resent' guests being here I think . It appears that it is often caused by having their noses rubbed in it by some of the statements from guests. Normally it's a two way street, lots of good info and help given by guests on here as well which I , as a member ,also appreciate.

However some guests come here with a chip on their shoulder, feeling like they are going to be looked down on because of their cars and that colours their responce to every post If it fits the NSRA criteria its fine, if it doesn't then can you expect anything else ?

Part of this is also an age gap thing , many are old f*rts who take slowly, if at all, to change .The biggest thing is them taking to computers and the way most of the internet is run. The younger guys on here come from a background of everything being free ( especially forums ) whereas many of the older long term NSRA members see this only as an extension of their long term commitment to rodding in general and this club in particular.

[Blackpopracing]

Hi
As i said the NSRA bankrolled the forum to the tune of £4400 last year..that money came from it's members..should they pay for it?

There not enough traders in the Uk to cover that sort of banner advertising...we don't get enough hits on the site to charge enough to cover it and we already recieve sponsorship from them for giveaway cars, spot prizes etc at our shows...

with the credit crunch hitting them hard some are struggling just to cover the costs of shows and stands...

The NASC don't want a forum..they've seen how much ours costs and how much trouble it produces!!! ask Mark he'll tell yer

If helpin the fight against official encrouchments aint enough of a reason the what is???
Barry


I cannot see the problem with advert banners, I have several adverts on my site now (link below) and you will be hard pushed to see them unless you are looking, yet they net me quite a considerable sum each year now.

I dont believe the NSRA would have too much trouble finding £4,400 from some small unobtrusive adverts.

PS, I'm currently a non member as my membership has lapsed, if it were online I would have rejoined immediatly, will probably rejoin at swapmeet now.

[58 delray]

it seems to me we are getting away from the original question, this is not just about the forum but about the NSRA in general

[Shedster]

Odgie, the real problem is that the club that caters for what you require (NASC ) refuses to set up a forum. So by default this place ends up trying to be used in a manner other than it's supposed to be.

The other problem is those involved in the scene( like you know your bobbers from choppers ) know what this place is meant to be about. If it's written on the front door for newcomers to this place then I don't think we'd have the problems as you realise before entering what you are getting into and play by the rules laid down...Blue Oyster Bar Stylee:)

With respect Kev, I don't think the NASC is for me anyway. Not to put too fine a point on it on an open forum, I'm interested in proper dirt-under-the-fingernails, take-a-pile-of-raw-steel-and-make-something-out-of it, and trad rodders are the essence of that. I did read the Forum Rules before registering, I just checked again and it still says 'Rodding related discussion'. I interpreted that as stuff of general interest to rodders...:confused:

But obviously some want to interpret it more narrowly. I've taken one of me bikes to the A-Bombers Weekend in Sweden (and won the hillclimb on it), and there's bikes allowed at the Hayride - both about as hardcore and criteria-driven as you can. I don't see a problem with Volksrods either, in my view they would fall into the 'interest to rodders' category as well. All of which is only my own opinion of course.

But to relate it to the original question (18 pages ago...), the NSRA has nothing I want apart from this forum, and although I've offered to happily pay a user fee if that is deemed necessary, while this forum is regulated the way it is, I don't feel inclined to join, as I really don't feel the NSRA as an organisation has anything to offer me, or would even particularly welcome me apart from taking my hard-earned 30 pounds. :rolleyes::D

[weemark]

there are some good comments from some of the guests on here, one thing that srikes me is quite a few of you say you dont feel welcome, you dont think the NSRA is for you, the NSRA cant offer you anything yet you still come here - why?

no malice in the question, just an observation as its you guys who are saying these things, just seems strange you keep coming somewhere you dont like - if you didnt like the wine bar down the road you wouldnt go would you, you would seek out somewhere else where you do feel welcome.

[kapri]

Wine bar ?? Ok , Gunner Graham ! LOL


Back on topic though, good question.

[langysrodshop]

Spot on Andy, Wish we could get back to it.



it seems to me we are getting away from the original question, this is not just about the forum but about the NSRA in general

[stueyT]

Ok here is another thought for the Help in getting members.

What advantage do the younger future rodders get, ie. our children. If I bought a family membership would it be a good idea for our children to benefit aswell, maybe a christmas party for them, or a few dotted around the country to cater for all. Maybe something at easter aswell. I know the children get to participate at shows with colouring competions, tot rod show etc.

Maybe when membership is completed a pack for the children aswell as the tax disc holder. Even if it is a hot rod colouring book.

For the adults, a definitive list of all places that take the NSRA card for discounts.

Cheers,

Stu.

[J1MMY]

there are some good comments from some of the guests on here, one thing that srikes me is quite a few of you say you dont feel welcome, you dont think the NSRA is for you, the NSRA cant offer you anything yet you still come here - why?

no malice in the question, just an observation as its you guys who are saying these things, just seems strange you keep coming somewhere you dont like - if you didnt like the wine bar down the road you wouldnt go would you, you would seek out somewhere else where you do feel welcome.

That's a fair question. I'll have a stab at answering it (purely from my perspective - that's all I can do) and it will sort of repeat what I posted earlier so bear with me.

I don't have what is defined as a hotrod - thats the biggest part (even though the membership form asks only that the applicant have a sincere, genuine interest in hotrodding, or words to that effect). I'm also not keen on the attitude taken by some members towards others if they are disagreed with or questioned. I understand fully that it's hard to convey sentiment and meaning with the typed word but a lot of guests (myself included) generally tiptoe around certain issues for fear of causing trouble - once bitten twice shy. We are all adults on here but it takes on a tiered system of who is above who. So, I don't feel that I want to pay membership for an association where certain bad attitudes among members aren't taken in hand - and some members posts in a GUEST thread have enforced that a little bit.

However, and I know this is straying a little from the original question - yet not at the same time - I enjoy the forum all of the above griped aside and appreciate everything else it provides - history, tech info, a chance to see and enjoy what others are building. Therefore (this is the repeat bit) while I don't feel the NSRA is for me the contents of the forum is and to that end I would be happy to contribute/donate towards that - I don't see why I should be on here at members expense if members aren't happy about it and I am here at their expense. That said, I'll not be railroaded into joining. I have offered contribution and if it becomes members only access then I'm going to lose out. But When I do purchase a vehicle/project that falls within the rules I'll reconsider. Life has a habit of changing things.

I hope that doesn't give offence and that it does give a good answer. :)

[B-520]

That's a fair question. I'll have a stab at answering it (purely from my perspective - that's all I can do) and it will sort of repeat what I posted earlier so bear with me.

I don't have what is defined as a hotrod - thats the biggest part (even though the membership form asks only that the applicant have a sincere, genuine interest in hotrodding, or words to that effect). I'm also not keen on the attitude taken by some members towards others if they are disagreed with or questioned. I understand fully that it's hard to convey sentiment and meaning with the typed word but a lot of guests (myself included) generally tiptoe around certain issues for fear of causing trouble - once bitten twice shy. We are all adults on here but it takes on a tiered system of who is above who. So, I don't feel that I want to pay membership for an association where certain bad attitudes among members aren't taken in hand - and some members posts in a GUEST thread have enforced that a little bit.

However, and I know this is straying a little from the original question - yet not at the same time - I enjoy the forum all of the above griped aside and appreciate everything else it provides - history, tech info, a chance to see and enjoy what others are building. Therefore (this is the repeat bit) while I don't feel the NSRA is for me the contents of the forum is and to that end I would be happy to contribute/donate towards that - I don't see why I should be on here at members expense if members aren't happy about it and I am here at their expense. That said, I'll not be railroaded into joining. I have offered contribution and if it becomes members only access then I'm going to lose out. But When I do purchase a vehicle/project that falls within the rules I'll reconsider. Life has a habit of changing things.

I hope that doesn't give offence and that it does give a good answer. :)


I agree with some of your comments but the forum is NOT the NSRA.
Would you join the NSRA to protect your right to drive the cars and have shows to go to?

[49anglia]

Very valid question.

I like the forum because i love alot of the cars and find most of the members friendly and helpfull.

I love rods and kustoms, preferably 50's style as thats our thing, style wise.

As mentioned before, cars are a very big part of my life, especialy vintage modified cars.

This is the only UK based forum i know of where people have a love for this era of car modification.

As i love these cars, and spend all my spare time/money playing with this kind of car this is a good place to chat with like minded people.
I dont really do shows as over the years ive grown tired of looking at other peoples cars. Yeah, there great etc etc but i get my plasure from building/driving them, not looking at other peoples no matter how ace they are!

[Shedster]

there are some good comments from some of the guests on here, one thing that srikes me is quite a few of you say you dont feel welcome, you dont think the NSRA is for you, the NSRA cant offer you anything yet you still come here - why?

no malice in the question, just an observation as its you guys who are saying these things, just seems strange you keep coming somewhere you dont like - if you didnt like the wine bar down the road you wouldnt go would you, you would seek out somewhere else where you do feel welcome.

I make a distinction between this forum, and the NSRA as an organisation (even though I'm well aware who funds and operates it). This is the only forum I come on, I find it funny, interesting, entertaining and educating. I value it and consider it an excellent resource. During the last bunfight (just over a week ago), there was so much talk that this forum should only be for 'rodders', that those with stock Yanks or VWs or bikes should go elsewhere, that if you didn't own a rod you really shouldn't be on here, that I seriously considered walking way, for the first time I genuinely didn't feel welcome. I didn't post anything to that effect, I just stayed away for a few days and thought about it. But I do genuinely like this forum, any comments I make are always intended to smooth the flow and make it an even better resource (even if they may not always come out that way). But as regards the NSRA itself, with so many members posting on here about things becoming diluted and keeping things Pre-49 (I know that isn't official NSRA policy, but the very fact that you had to debate Pre-49 at the AGM shows there's a sizeable movement that wants it that way), I don't feel any rapport with the Club itself.

So, to answer your question, I come here because I see this as an excellent (with some shortcomings...:rolleyes:) UK 'custom car' forum, and the fact that it is run by the NSRA is incidental to me. Sorry, that's just the way it is. :)

[evilzee28]

I make a distinction between this forum, and the NSRA as an organisation (even though I'm well aware who funds and operates it). This is the only forum I come on, I find it funny, interesting, entertaining and educating. I value it and consider it an excellent resource. During the last bunfight (just over a week ago), there was so much talk that this forum should only be for 'rodders', that those with stock Yanks or VWs or bikes should go elsewhere, that if you didn't own a rod you really shouldn't be on here, that I seriously considered walking way, for the first time I genuinely didn't feel welcome. I didn't post anything to that effect, I just stayed away for a few days and thought about it. But I do genuinely like this forum, any comments I make are always intended to smooth the flow and make it an even better resource (even if they may not always come out that way). But as regards the NSRA itself, with so many members posting on here about things becoming diluted and keeping things Pre-49 (I know that isn't official NSRA policy, but the very fact that you had to debate Pre-49 at the AGM shows there's a sizeable movement that wants it that way), I don't feel any rapport with the Club itself.

So, to answer your question, I come here because I see this as an excellent (with some shortcomings...:rolleyes:) UK 'custom car' forum, and the fact that it is run by the NSRA is incidental to me. Sorry, that's just the way it is. :)

I agree totally with J1mmy & Shedster, they've hit the nail on the head. I feel that their answers represent the views of most guests on here.

[J1MMY]

I agree with some of your comments but the forum is NOT the NSRA.
Would you join the NSRA to protect your right to drive the cars and have shows to go to?

I'm struggling to get my point across, only because I don't know how to put it.:mad:

Would you not say that the forum is online face of the NSRA? It's paid for by the NSRA, isn't it?

At this moment in time? No, I wouldn't. But as I said in the thread, nothing is set in stone.

I'm curious B - 520, which of my comments did you agree with?

Edit - Shedster put it better than I could. Making a distinction between the two. Doh. Thank you.:)

[langysrodshop]

Odgie as far as i can remember there was no debate about pre49 at the AGM ???



I make a distinction between this forum, and the NSRA as an organisation (even though I'm well aware who funds and operates it). This is the only forum I come on, I find it funny, interesting, entertaining and educating. I value it and consider it an excellent resource. During the last bunfight (just over a week ago), there was so much talk that this forum should only be for 'rodders', that those with stock Yanks or VWs or bikes should go elsewhere, that if you didn't own a rod you really shouldn't be on here, that I seriously considered walking way, for the first time I genuinely didn't feel welcome. I didn't post anything to that effect, I just stayed away for a few days and thought about it. But I do genuinely like this forum, any comments I make are always intended to smooth the flow and make it an even better resource (even if they may not always come out that way). But as regards the NSRA itself, with so many members posting on here about things becoming diluted and keeping things Pre-49 (I know that isn't official NSRA policy, but the very fact that you had to debate Pre-49 at the AGM shows there's a sizeable movement that wants it that way), I don't feel any rapport with the Club itself.

So, to answer your question, I come here because I see this as an excellent (with some shortcomings...:rolleyes:) UK 'custom car' forum, and the fact that it is run by the NSRA is incidental to me. Sorry, that's just the way it is. :)

[surfmonkey]

can anyone tell me how many members there are in the NSRA and out of those members what percentage actually use this forum

[langysrodshop]

Not sure of actual number of members but i would guess around 1500, member that use the forum is an incredibly small percentage.



can anyone tell me how many members there are in the NSRA and out of those members what percentage actually use this forum

[Dinsdale Piranah]

:D:DSays it all for me.
Notwithstanding I would join now if I was in the UK, probably because of peer pressure (bullying seems a bit strong)

The innocious vein that this thread started in has again degenerated into a guilt trip dig by members. Having said that if I was A MEMBER and could justify membership I would be on the rooftop sniping away.;)

BTW a friend runs a bike forum with similar attributes for £300/year, out of his own pocket. With pics and vid hosting. I'm sure the £4400 is somehow justified, but dont throw that figure into an open arguement without telling how?

[evilzee28]

Not sure of actual number of members but i would guess around 1500, member that use the forum is an incredibly small percentage.

You'll probably find that there are far more guests that use the forum on a regular basis than members. The fact that they won't join for most of the above reasons really is irrelevant, It's their choice to do so if they wish. The fact that they're not NSRA members doesn't make them a lesser person or a lesser rodder though. At a rod run NSRA members don't just socialise with NSRA members do they? No, of course not. It's all of the in fighting & threads like this that stop people wanting to join.

[58 delray]

ok as this appeers to have be come a debate about the forum rather tham the NSRA i'll stick my tuppence worth in, and make a suggestion,

NSRA members get use of the forum by right.
Guests allowed, but only for a trial period of say 1yr to see if its for them, after that there could be two choices,
1) full NSRA membership with all the discounts and privilages.
2) forum membership at a reduced rate for those that don't want all the other benefits.
debate
andy

[Shedster]

Odgie as far as i can remember there was no debate about pre49 at the AGM ???

Sorry if I've got that wrong Steve, I did read somewhere on here recently that the Pre-49 thing had already been debated in the past by the membership and decided against, I assumed that would have been at an AGM? If not my apologies if I've misled anyone. :)

[weemark]

Sorry if I've got that wrong Steve, I did read somewhere on here recently that the Pre-49 thing had already been debated in the past by the membership and decided against, I assumed that would have been at an AGM? If not my apologies if I've misled anyone. :)

yep steve is right, it was debated in the members area not long ago to see who wanted the club to be pre 49 - the majority dont.

J1mmy no offence taken, thanks for your view. Unfortunately people have attitudes wherever you go its, you just try and avoid them, this goes for members and guests.

[langysrodshop]

Andy this thread was originally started to get some ideas for the NSRA committee, As usual its gone o/t



ok as this appeers to have be come a debate about the forum rather tham the NSRA i'll stick my tuppence worth in, and make a suggestion,

NSRA members get use of the forum by right.
Guests allowed, but only for a trial period of say 1yr to see if its for them, after that there could be two choices,
1) full NSRA membership with all the discounts and privilages.
2) forum membership at a reduced rate for those that don't want all the other benefits.
debate
andy

[Ford34]

I apologise as I think I am as guilty as anyone else of driving (forgive the pun) this off topic.

I think however 58 Delray may have come up with the most sensible suggestion. That coupled with making joining as easy as possible (on line etc).

[smudge]

I posted a reply earlier,since then i have read the rest of the topic and it has reminded me of the other reason why i proberly dont join!

[Battersea Boys]

Not sure of actual number of members but i would guess around 1500, member that use the forum is an incredibly small percentage.


That says it all right there, this forum would die without the guests........

[58 delray]

Andy this thread was originally started to get some ideas for the NSRA committee, As usual its gone o/t

yeah i know steve and i tried to steer it back on topic a couple of times, but as that didn't work i thought i would make some suggestions rather than slag the place off,
andy

[58 delray]

I apologise as I think I am as guilty as anyone else of driving (forgive the pun) this off topic.

I think however 58 Delray may have come up with the most sensible suggestion. That coupled with making joining as easy as possible (on line etc).

just trying to be sensible about this, but thanks anyway,
andy

[li150special]

I like using the forum. I don't have a rod ( hopefully will someday when I have enough cash to get someone to built it for me).

The membership doesn't offer me any advantages as I can't attend ahows due to my location, but I would pay if I had to, to keep using the forum. Maybe the forum membership is a good idea, but it would have to be available online.

Having said that I suspect alot of guests would just disappear, if asked to pay to use a forum.

All the best,
Brian

[Shedster]

Andy this thread was originally started to get some ideas for the NSRA committee, As usual its gone o/t

I've given this a lot of thought, and in the spirit of genuinely trying to help, here's my ideas for the NSRA Committee. If it goes on a bit, please bear with me, I'm trying to make as many valid points as possible.

I can quite understand how long standing members may see this forum as standing for what the NSRA believe in, and would like to see it represent that quite closely. There are also very many guests who don't have that history, and whose interests are far more varied. There's also the fact that in one way or another, it is the members who pay for the upkeep of the forum, so it's always possible that guests may be seen in a lesser light when things start to kick off. Result: aggravation, cross-purposes, frustration, and a bunfight every Friday (or even a day early...) :rolleyes:

How does all that become resolved? (Because I suspect we're all agreed it needs to be, and regardless of why we all come on here, I think we all want it to continue - you only need to feel the passion in most people's posts when this subject crops up to realise that.)

It appears to me, this forum has outgrown its original remit (as a place for NSRA Members to keep contact). That should only be seen as a good thing, that more and more people are (in some way) into rodding and custom vehicles, and it is something the NSRA should actually be proud of, that it has (even if unwittingly) created such a valuable and well-thought of resource. But it is now in a state of flux, so clearly something needs to be addressed.

My suggestions are as follows (and it's basically pretty much an overhaul, I don't think tinkering will achieve a long lasting resolution):

1. Have a Members Only area. You need to be a member to access it, no-one else even needs to know it exists if necessary, hive it off and have it as the heart and soul of the Association. Just one forum, any topic you like, or various sections, Pre-49 etc, or whatever the Committee and Members decide.

2. Have a Public area, open to all, and accessed by annual subscription, of, say £10. Call it the NSRA Public Forum, or the 'UK Hotrod Forum' or something similar (I'm sure Holmsey wouldn't mind, but the name isn't that important at this stage). Full NSRA Members get access to it for free, but everyone gets listed on there just as a 'Forum Member', to ensure equality. It can be split into sections (General, History, Art, For Sale etc) as required.

3. Discuss with some of the people on here who reckon a forum can be hosted for a few hundred pounds, rather than several thousand. That way with subscriptions it becomes not only self financing, but quite possibly an income stream. It also takes away the disparity between those who think they're paying for the site and those who are seen to be using it for free.

4. Widen the criteria for what is 'General Hotrodding Interest', and more or less allow it to be self moderating. Mods would still be required if things get out of hand (less likely to happen though), and to avoid offensive posts, but in general, it would stop what I read on here many times 'I'm building such and such, but I don't post cos I don't think it would be acceptable,' and we could have photos of a Volksrod or a cool bike or Red Oxide's stunning metalwork (even if it was on a Minivan). I still maintain that if it's of general interest, people will look at it and reply, if it isn't it will quickly drop off the page, and even if something a little off-topic stays on for a while, it can only be cos the paying users want it to, so would it really be the biggest crime in the world?

All in all, the Members would still have their own discreet area or sanctuary, which could be as strict or as loose as they choose, while those who are currently Guests would become fully fledged and equal participants in a new forum that reflected their more varied interests. Any any Members who felt the Public Forum was a dilution needn't visit it (although I suspect they still would, we're all into fannying about with kn*ckered old vehicles at the end of the day...:D:D:D).

So, that's it, in a (slightly large) nutshell. If no-one minds I'm going to put this post up as a New Thread as well, as a starter for ten for discussion, but if that doesn't suit I genuinely don't mind if it's pulled there and the post just stays here, I am just genuinely trying to help and move the debate forward.

Regards to all,
Odgie :-)

[49anglia]

2. Have a Public area, open to all, and accessed by annual subscription, of, say £10. Call it the NSRA Public Forum, or the 'UK Hotrod Forum' or something similar (I'm sure Holmsey wouldn't mind, but the name isn't that important at this stage). Full NSRA Members get access to it for free, but everyone gets listed on there just as a 'Forum Member', to ensure equality. It can be split into sections (General, History, Art, For Sale etc) as required.




All good ideas but i think £10 a year to use a forum is a bit strong.
If its true, and the forum can be run for ALOT less than it is then there would be no need to charge that much anyway.

Im not sure an enforced anual charge is the way though, even if it was £1 i can still see it putting people off. Adds and donations are all thats needed.

[tootall]

To answer Langy's original question - why don't I join?

Largely because every time this question arises, out come the bully-boy tactics. I know that's strong language but sorry, it's the truth.

All the way through this thread, the overwhelming attitude is that I should be a member of the NSRA because...well, I just should OK? There has been very little discussion of any benefits of being a member, just lots of folk trying to make me feel guilty for using a forum that's offered for free.

So - why am I not going to join? Why would I? Much as I like rods, I really love Kustoms, so rather than join the National STREET ROD Association, I joined UK KUSTOMS.

I don't use the NSRA insurance and probably won't - I can get it cheaper with my existing insurer.
The reduced cost of entry to shows won't cover the cost of membership - I pay in the region of £150 to trade at each show I go to and am then told that if my Wife wants to put her car on the showfield with a shownumber, I'll have to pay more.
I really don't need a sticker, or a tax disc holder or a membership card thanks.
I don't rely on this forum to meet people and make friends - I go to shows and talk to folk. I try my damndest to help people out where I can and I really don't care what clubs they are members of. I do however use this forum to keep in touch with those folk.

I won't be made to feel guilty for not 'putting something back' when I am Chairman of the UK Kustoms and run a rod / kustom related business. Do I put in an equal amout to what I get out? Just give me a call next time you buy something on e-bay that's in Cornwall and ask me if I can help with collection. Drop me a mail or ask me at a show about how your Son or Daughter can get into striping. There are many more ways to contribute than just financially.

Why am I not a member of the NSRA? Because I don't want to be, thanks all the same. Do I keep asking you all why you are not members of the UKK?

[surfmonkey]

To answer Langy's original question - why don't I join?

Largely because every time this question arises, out come the bully-boy tactics. I know that's strong language but sorry, it's the truth.

All the way through this thread, the overwhelming attitude is that I should be a member of the NSRA because...well, I just should OK? There has been very little discussion of any benefits of being a member, just lots of folk trying to make me feel guilty for using a forum that's offered for free.

So - why am I not going to join? Why would I? Much as I like rods, I really love Kustoms, so rather than join the National STREET ROD Association, I joined UK KUSTOMS.

I don't use the NSRA insurance and probably won't - I can get it cheaper with my existing insurer.
The reduced cost of entry to shows won't cover the cost of membership - I pay in the region of £150 to trade at each show I go to and am then told that if my Wife wants to put her car on the showfield with a shownumber, I'll have to pay more.
I really don't need a sticker, or a tax disc holder or a membership card thanks.
I don't rely on this forum to meet people and make friends - I go to shows and talk to folk. I try my damndest to help people out where I can and I really don't care what clubs they are members of. I do however use this forum to keep in touch with those folk.

I won't be made to feel guilty for not 'putting something back' when I am Chairman of the UK Kustoms and run a rod / kustom related business. Do I put in an equal amout to what I get out? Just give me a call next time you buy something on e-bay that's in Cornwall and ask me if I can help with collection. Drop me a mail or ask me at a show about how your Son or Daughter can get into striping. There are many more ways to contribute than just financially.

Why am I not a member of the NSRA? Because I don't want to be, thanks all the same. Do I keep asking you all why you are not members of the UKK?

at last a straight and honest answer to the original question posed instead of the bleating about the bl00dy forum....nice one toots

[evilzee28]

All good ideas but i think £10 a year to use a forum is a bit strong.
If its true, and the forum can be run for ALOT less than it is then there would be no need to charge that much anyway.

Im not sure an enforced anual charge is the way though, even if it was £1 i can still see it putting people off. Adds and donations are all thats needed.

If people can't be arsed to send in a membership fee then they probably wouldn't make the effort to post of the money for a forum charge.

[WB54]

All good ideas but i think £10 a year to use a forum is a bit strong.
If its true, and the forum can be run for ALOT less than it is then there would be no need to charge that much anyway.

Im not sure an enforced anual charge is the way though, even if it was £1 i can still see it putting people off. Adds and donations are all thats needed.

£10 a bit strong ?, for the amount of info, banter, access to tech, rodding history, classifieds and the moderation etc I don't think thats unreasonable at all. Whats a tenner these days ?. If you like the forum then why not pay to use it ? You have to pay to advertise in exchange and mart, technical helplines charge premium rates, you'd have to pay to get the bus down the pub to chat with mate or phone them etc. In the grand scheme of things where a forum is run by a club funded by it's memebers/ events run by member volunteers whats a measly tenner ?

I'm a non memeber because I don't drive a rod, have little interest in the shows and my interest is mostly drag racing and tech related. I come on here most days because I enjoy the forum and would not object to being asked to pay a tenner subscription. I've bought and sold parts and had work done by various forum users where I've saved substancial amounts of money, can't put a price on it but I'm glad I had a place to turn to. IMO I think it's hypocritical to expect the NSRA to host a forum for general use and not contribute anything,

My suggestion would be an associate membership to the NSRA. £10 rolling associate membership, gets you full forum access and a tax disk holder

If you want the full membership with the insurance scheme, vendor and event discounts etc then it's available to you as per normal.

That way it levels the forum as to who "who contributes", the NSRA get a well deserved revenue stream to pay for the forum and those who decide for whatever reason the NSRA's not for them get to use the forum, which we've identified, although hosted by the NSRA is actually more of a general view of the UK rod scene.

[49anglia]

I think people would be more likely to donate £10 over a year by using a donation button now and then than they would be to strictly pay a £10 a year fee.

Thats just the way i see it but im a bit odd like that. Ask me for money and you probably wont get it but left to my own devices i'd pay what i see fit when i see fit and that could easily end up being more.

I had a similar discussion at a festival with a couple selling outdoors candles. They were £3 each. I said why not let people pay what they want, some will pay less, some will pay more. After a while i bought one. They said how much do you want to pay? I had £25 in my wallet so thats what they got!

Ok, i may not have been completely sober;)

If someone wants to join the forum, a strict £10 yearly payment may well put them off but if it was made clear that the forum exists on donations then they will be more likely to join/pay.

Its not so much the amount of money, more how that money is recieved.

[WagonMan]

This is a genuine question and please keep it constructive.

What could the NSRA do to tempt you into joining as a member or whats stopping you from joining up ???

I'll post this on here as I'll be a guest soon.

There's nothing that will tempt me to rejoin the club in all honesty Steve. This forum is the biggest asset the NSRA have got but I wouldn't pay £30 a year to use it even if it were to become members-only.

Why am I not rejoining? I'm forever being told that my current car doesn't fit the criteria of the club, so why would the NSRA want to encourage me to join?

[weemark]

I think people would be more likely to donate £10 over a year by using a donation button now and then than they would be to strictly pay a £10 a year fee.

Thats just the way i see it but im a bit odd like that. Ask me for money and you probably wont get it but left to my own devices i'd pay what i see fit when i see fit and that could easily end up being more.

I had a similar discussion at a festival with a couple selling outdoors candles. They were £3 each. I said why not let people pay what they want, some will pay less, some will pay more. After a while i bought one. They said how much do you want to pay? I had £25 in my wallet so thats what they got!

Ok, i may not have been completely sober;)

If someone wants to join the forum, a strict £10 yearly payment may well put them off but if it was made clear that the forum exists on donations then they will be more likely to join/pay.

Its not so much the amount of money, more how that money is recieved.

i use 3 other forums outwith this one and they all charge £10 a year to get access to tech and for sale items, no one on any of those forums moan. none of the forums are part of a club, they are all just forums.

[weemark]

I'll post this on here as I'll be a guest soon.

There's nothing that will tempt me to rejoin the club in all honesty Steve. This forum is the biggest asset the NSRA have got but I wouldn't pay £30 a year to use it even if it were to become members-only.

Why am I not rejoining? I'm forever being told that my current car doesn't fit the criteria of the club, so why would the NSRA want to encourage me to join?

ian where have you been told that your car doesnt fit in the NSRA? can you show us the posts?

[B-520]

J1MMY

I enjoy the forum all of the above griped aside and appreciate everything else it provides - history, tech info, a chance to see and enjoy what others are building. Therefore (this is the repeat bit) while I don't feel the NSRA is for me the contents of the forum is ..................

I'm also not keen on the attitude taken by some members towards others if they are disagreed with or questioned. I understand fully that it's hard to convey sentiment and meaning with the typed word but a lot of guests (myself included) generally tiptoe around certain issues for fear of causing trouble - once bitten twice shy................


These are the comments that I agree with more.
Another thought. The US NSRA have opened the eligibility years for all their shows to keep attendance up. Goodguys shows cover more than just pre-49. Times are changing, there are more people that identify with newer cars than pre-49 cars.

[WB54]

i use 3 other forums outwith this one and they all charge £10 a year to get access to tech and for sale items, no one on any of those forums moan. none of the forums are part of a club, they are all just forums.

I use a forum in the US, they have site auctions, proceeds going to the costs of running the board. People offer up unwanted parts etc and the proceeds allow the forum to continue.

This is going off topic a bit so trying to bring it back, IMO the NSRA can encourage more people to join by sorting out the forum. Like it or not, the forums rapidly becoming the face or at least the first port of call for potential NSRA members. If the forums sorted out and the usual guest v memeber bun fights levelled by all joining and contributing to use the forum, then maybe it'll be a more habitable place.

[WagonMan]

ian where have you been told that your car doesnt fit in the NSRA? can you show us the posts?

Mark, I've personally been told on the phone and by PM but look at the bigger picture in the recent 'tri-chevy/ stock yank/ pre '49' threads on here, all arguing about what should/ shouldn't be allowed (on here yes, but isn't this the NSRA seeing as they for it?) and despite all of the new committee being forum users nobody officially came forward and told it straight from the horses mouth.

This forum is the biggest asset that the NSRA have got, it's a massive marketing tool and is proven itself to be a recruitment tool as well, but for all it's good it is equally it's own worst enemy as it also drives people away due to bitching and fighting.

[bomber 1]

how about a forum membership of £15 which gives u 50% discount on what full members get but no price reductions on real world stuff like show entries etc etc. then people are more likley to pay up and will give the forum its own income. parts supplies insurance companys etc etc are a good way of bringing an income in as well as mechandise. sometime youve got to lay a bit of cash out to make it.

im already paid up member of the the zephyr/zodiac mk3 owners club and oldskoolford. so i would be more inclined to join a forum payment than full membership. as i have a modded but not rodded/kustom mk3 zodiac then a modded mk1 escort. as such neither cars fall into this place paticlly well. but i do have a keen intrest in rods/kustoms/gassers etc etc

[mercurial]

Mark, I've personally been told on the phone and by PM but look at the bigger picture in the recent 'tri-chevy/ stock yank/ pre '49' threads on here, all arguing about what should/ shouldn't be allowed (on here yes, but isn't this the NSRA seeing as they for it?) and despite all of the new committee being forum users nobody officially came forward and told it straight from the horses mouth.

This forum is the biggest asset that the NSRA have got, it's a massive marketing tool and is proven itself to be a recruitment tool as well, but for all it's good it is equally it's own worst enemy as it also drives people away due to bitching and fighting.

Excuse me could you move your ass over to the members thread please.......This is specially for guests only!!:D:D

[Shedster]

The problem is guys, unless the payment is tied into the forum becoming less restrictive in what you can post, the same arguments will still apply (see Wagonman's reason for ending his membership). The payment part was one aspect of an idea, I'd happily pay a tenner if for example I could come in from the shed occasionally (and I do mean occasionally, I'm not talking about flooding the forum with entirely unrelated items), and post 'Look what I made today' like other people can, knowing it wasn't strictly to the above criteria, but may be of general interest to rodders...

(see photos below - a straight piece of pipe, 26 annular welds, and a h*lluva lot of grinding, filing and polishing. I'm proud of it, I'd like to think it could/would inspire people to do something similar on their own project, and to me it falls under the 'general interest to rodders' category of the current rules, but strictly speaking because it's a bike part it runs the risk of being pulled at any time...)

[Dinsdale Piranah]

I've got a piece of pipe exactly that shap in my shed....you should have asked.:D
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[mark1v]

i think the forum is great and i use it most days,i preffer it to the yankee forums as i prefer british cars to be honest.i too have thought about joining many a time but have been put off by some of the attitude i,ve met on here when asking legitimate questions i have been met some derision and know all type answers which has ****ed me off to be quite frank.i consider myself to be technically incompetent,but a bit like art i know f**k all about it,but i know what i like,but am on my second car at the moment wiv a lot of help from paul coleman and gary janes my steel t coupe will be on the road this summer,i dont want to ask anyone on here for advice as you run the risk of aving the **** taken out of you as is clear for a few people who use this forum.newbies will help swell your memmbership and should be welcomed in.i try to help people in my field(surfing)and always offer helpfull(i hope)advice f.o.c to encourage people in to my sport,i could be a know all in my sportas ive surfed in three world championships internationally,but i dont.the lesson is clear be a bit humble and i,ll join,i want to as legislation could f**k this sport/hobby and we need a governing body to fight future battles,fair comment?

[Ford34]

I went to Biggleswade show 2008, why would I pay £30 for 5 months membership and what was on offer for the 5 months?? I picked up a membership application form and I have joined this year, have you checked the first link on the website Membership "Lindsay Woodstock" its out of Date, I tried e mailing the link, 2 days later it was returned undeliverable, and I will forward it if I can get a valid email address, I joined the site on Sunday evening 22nd Feb, still waiting E mail confirmation. Ford34/2.I am a member of other forums, all free and they dont ask or request donations. Their members offer free advice and always give constructive answers and never add snide remarks which never contain bickering. or drift off the question.
So why did I join?? perhaps I would have paid to submit a question on a single question basis, its pointless paying to read other peoples questions and answers even though the information may be of use. I would not pay to be a guest just to read questions and answers. But surly its reasonable to pay to post anything in the forum if you are not a full member.(sorry guests) but I`m still a guest.I dont realy want the string to drift off into everything other than the question, but perhaps your forum has always been like this. Up in Newcastle we may even feel that the nearest venue is all too far away. Funninly my membership runs expires 28th Feb 2010 so perhaps this issue has been addressed, yes a rolling one would be of benefit, a simpler system with online payment. My son is a guest what incentive is there for him to be a member, He`s too old for family mebership. we are building a joint finaced project although I`m on the log book, why pay twice and maybe go to one show??If members feel they are getting nothing out of the NSRA then they wont join, but surly the old scenario of its better to give than to receive is a lot more rewarding. A joint voice to pressurise any issue needs cash support, I have been a Chairman I have spent my own money supporting the club I represented. I gave every spare hour writing letters organizing events getting prizes and sponsorships,spending countless hours of seemingly thankless dedication supported by takers and not givers.
So come on you guests give a little back to NSRA, its unpaid committee its moderators and make this the best Hot rod forum and club in the world. I`m on short time, I dont like it, but a sign of the times but I`m still working so spend my £ 30 wisely.The three important questions my son posted have been worth £30 just for the answers.There are a hard core of deicated supporters who answer questions night after night and I`m sure they would rather be in the garage, dont P*** them off. because believe me that day could come.
I dont want free tee shirts, tax discs,or hats,go get them custom done, your style, your design. As mentioned why is the guests forum so supported??.is it not possible to e mail members to their own E Mail address on questions you would like answers to and not rely on them perhaps logging in and then even missing the question.- just a thought.

Stan Gordon 6389 using sons log in

[Dr.Diesel]

I've been a member for over 20 years,been on the committee for 5 of those, may have missed a few threads on here (its because I have a life...) but i'am still listed as a guest.It doesn't bother me,should it?
Do I need to get it changed?.Will it mean anymore,to anyone?
Gary.:)

[kapri]

Gary, you SHOULD get it changed , there's some very important stuff over in members on topic section .

[Dr.Diesel]

hey Kev,it now says i'am a member,how do you do it for the money!!!:)

[kapri]

Much as I'd like to take credit for being omnipotent it's all down to our hardworking team of Admin and mods ;) :)

[vince-305]

Needed the heading and I feel this would be the perfect time to continue this thread

This is a genuine question and please keep it constructive.

What could the NSRA do to tempt you into joining as a member or whats stopping you from joining up ???



I would like to let you know one reason that has put me off joining and that was your swap meet at essex

I have no problem with paying the extra on the gate for being a non-member
I enjoyed watching the trading of parts well before the gates opened
I think that a burger stall was placed at the entrance allowing the que of late comers first through the gate (so waiting 2hrs just to be que jumped was real respectful) was a real good idea
but then to stand opposite the entrance at around 11:30 and watch late comers just walk though the gate as it was un-maned i felt to be a total rip off of joe public and members alike and at the same time being able to to see the nsra hut that was maned but with no one (punters) inside

[Russ]

i take it you brought all this to the attention of the committee at the time Vince

[Flat Ernie]

I think Mart nailed it perfectly.

What to do to entice guests to join NSRA?

1 - Fully online joining option
2 - Rolling membership

[martin]

I think Mart nailed it perfectly.

What to do to entice guests to join NSRA?

1 - Fully online joining option
2 - Rolling membership


This is now possible, take a look at the front page!

[J1MMY]

i take it you brought all this to the attention of the committee at the time Vince

How could he do that as someone who isn't a member?:confused:

[Doug]

How could he do that as someone who isn't a member?:confused:

By using the contact details on the website?

http://www.nsra.org.uk/contact.htm

[Doug]

I think Mart nailed it perfectly.

What to do to entice guests to join NSRA?

1 - Fully online joining option
2 - Rolling membership

Online joining linked form here http://www.nsra.org.uk/index.htm

Membership is now rolling; join this month, your renewal is due in 12 months time.

[robford]

i have just read all this thread and would like to say it is not what you can offer that stops me joining but my financial situation your discounts would not affect me that much as i have very cheap insurance £78 per year my car is not a yank or running one and as for tyres well north hants arent the cheapest around no offencethe only thing i would benifit from would be gate prices for that alone i think its worth joining if you can attend the shows that is as was said by someone else maybe setting up a system were you can pay monthly of quaterly would help bring in new members i know it would help me i would be willing to pay £3 per mounht this allows for any extra admin involved as well i hope this was the sort of thing you was after thanks Rob

[Adam]

i have just read all this thread and would like to say it is not what you can offer that stops me joining but my financial situation your discounts would not affect me that much as i have very cheap insurance £78 per year my car is not a yank or running one and as for tyres well north hants arent the cheapest around no offencethe only thing i would benifit from would be gate prices for that alone i think its worth joining if you can attend the shows that is as was said by someone else maybe setting up a system were you can pay monthly of quaterly would help bring in new members i know it would help me i would be willing to pay £3 per mounht this allows for any extra admin involved as well i hope this was the sort of thing you was after thanks Rob


Thats £36.oo a year. £6.oo more than you say you cant afford!

[robford]

Thats £36.oo a year. £6.oo more than you say you cant afford!

i know but i would find it easier to find £3 a month than i would £30 in one go £30 would pay a bill maybe i should start a join the nsra piggy bank put into it each month and then join next year i was just trying to be reilistic as i have seen a few pople say that they have other things that money goes on first like food and building there cars but this is not what this thread was ment to be about it was asking what we would want to make non members members and i said this would help maybe not all but sum it would even members that have financial problems might use this fecility the way things are at present people loosing there jobs finding it hard to get a new one who knows whar there situation will be next year

[Steve Foreman]

Reading some of the previous threads - not the history ones, and the rumours of what is said behind the closed members doors , have made me feel unwelcome on here . This may be because of my taste in cars (actually love rods but never owned or will own one , maybe a '37 chevy if the chance arose though) this was before the guest shut off time , so the answer I have is make me more welcome (or not for that matter), this thread helps by the way . But my question is am I on the right site , do you feel that loving and owning rodded and stock Tri Chevys actually doesn't fit in on here ?

[weemark]

Reading some of the previous threads - not the history ones, and the rumours of what is said behind the closed members doors , have made me feel unwelcome on here . This may be because of my taste in cars (actually love rods but never owned or will own one , maybe a '37 chevy if the chance arose though) this was before the guest shut off time , so the answer I have is make me more welcome (or not for that matter), this thread helps by the way . But my question is am I on the right site , do you feel that loving and owning rodded and stock Tri Chevys actually doesn't fit in on here ?

Steve dont listen to the rumours, they are normally way of the mark and the rumour is normally a small piece of a large conversation taken out of context to prove someones point.

[Steve Foreman]

Steve dont listen to the rumours, they are normally way of the mark and the rumour is normally a small piece of a large conversation taken out of context to prove someones point.


Thanks for that . :)

[Flat Ernie]

Online joining linked form here http://www.nsra.org.uk/index.htm

Membership is now rolling; join this month, your renewal is due in 12 months time.

Still makes little sense to me as I'm in the USA. And even when I move back, I cannot partake of the insurance scheme as they require a UK driving license (I checked last time I was there) which I don't have (and am not required to have as visiting forces).

[kapri]

Steve dont listen to the rumours, they are normally way of the mark and the rumour is normally a small piece of a large conversation taken out of context to prove someones point.

Yup, never let facts get in the way of a good opinion :rolleyes:. Half the people complaining have said they feel their vehicle isn't welcome but haven't taken time to read what is acceptable as NSRA criteria. That is the bit that has been missing since the forum opened and has been the cause of most of this crap :o


Even if 'your' current car doesn't fit but 'you' still have an interest in rodding you WILL be wlcome , exactly as welcome as you have always been but PLEASE don't post or talk about 'your' non complying car .

[Dinsdale Piranah]

To answer the original question.
Offer some benefits to me as an expat in France.
Dont kick me off the site and make me feel even more alienated from my old friends than I do already:(

[vince-305]

i take it you brought all this to the attention of the committee at the time Vince

Russ
I would of brought it to the attention of someone but to whom, its no good me complaining about it, as im only a guest, its no good me spending an hour to get home then bother the mods ,admin or committe after the event and i wouldnt of gone up to the nsra stand but as i know there all volountees and to organize it was a feat in its self but i only bring it to your attention as an example for somthing to be looked at for future and how somthing small can lead to someone who enjoys our hobbie but get a bad vibe that could prevent them (ME) from joining