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Ford34/2
13-05-14, 07:41 PM
It appears we in the UK may get black boxes fitted to all new Vehicles from 2015, yet another big brother watch out we know where you are scam, but it may only cost you £100::
Stan


London - Every new car sold in Britain will have to have a ‘black box’ device fitted to track drivers’ movements from next year, under plans being imposed by the European Union.
Despite serious concerns about privacy and cost, UK ministers admit they are powerless to stop the Big Brother technology being forced on motorists and carmakers.
The Government believes the gadget, designed to help emergency services find crashed vehicles, will add at least £100 (R1750) to the cost of vehicles without providing significant safety improvements.
Officials also fear the scheme, known as eCall, could be used by police or insurance companies to monitor motorists’ every move.
The European Commission has ruled that by October next year, all new cars and vans sold across Europe must be fitted with the technology, which contains a mobile phone-like SIM card designed to transmit the vehicle’s location to emergency services in the event of a crash.
CONSTANT TRACKING
But The Mail on Sunday has seen official correspondence from the Department of Transport showing the UK’s opposition to the policy, which could lead to the “constant tracking” of vehicles.
In a letter to MPs, Transport Minister Robert Goodwill writes: “The basis for our opposition is that costs to the UK outweigh the benefits.
“Unfortunately, there is very little support for the UK position and no possibility of blocking this legislation. We are working with other member states to minimise the potential burdens on manufacturers and the potential cost to consumers.
“With regard to the rules on privacy and data protection, other member states have expressed similar concerns to us, about the potential for constant tracking of vehicles via the eCall system.”
Emma Carr, of civil liberties group Big Brother Watch, said last night: “Motorists will not be comfortable forcibly having a black box installed which is capable of recording and transmitting their exact location when they are driving.”
Some car manufacturers, including BMW and Volvo, already include eCall devices in their latest models.
RAPID RESCUE
An SOS button near the dashboard, linked to a SIM card, allows drivers to call emergency service 999 quickly. And if airbags are deployed it automatically sends a text message to emergency services with the car’s location as well as its unique vehicle ID number.
Voluntary take-up has been low across the industry so the EU ruled all new car models must include eCall from October 1, 2015. Motorists will be unable to switch it off and it will be tested in MoT checks.
The EU Parliament voted it through last month and a draft of the law is due to be published next week before it is agreed by the EU Commission.
Britain is trying to push back the deadline by two years.
The UK also hopes the new text will include assurances on the privacy risks of eCall, which were highlighted in a European Parliament legal report earlier this year. The study said manufacturers will want to include “value added services” for the SOS devices, such as sharing the data with insurers and recovery firms.
A separate study by the EU Data Protection Supervisor warns of the “potential intrusiveness” of eCall given that it operates on the same basis as mobile phones and potentially enables the constant collection of the vehicle’s geolocation. It urges “stricter safeguards” against “unlawful” use of personal data.
Brussels insists eCall will save 2500 lives a year by speeding up emergency services response times.
Daily Mail
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http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/mandatory-big-brother-tech-for-europe-1.1686839#.U3JnGHYkDTo

ROCKIT
13-05-14, 09:50 PM
Read that at the end of last week and meant to post it up.
I'm still trying to take in the implications of the whole thing.

Is there anything at all that seems beneficial that comes from the EU?

Talk about controlling everyones lives! Jeez.

rem
13-05-14, 10:49 PM
Is there anything at all that seems beneficial that comes from the EU?


In a word, NO.

jsf55
13-05-14, 11:17 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625244/EU-bug-car-UK-tracker-chips-Ministers-admit-powerless-stop-Big-Brother-technology.html
Rather than the SA link ...
The emergency services can't cope now, if every crash is going to trigger a response .... were done for !!

weemark
14-05-14, 07:54 AM
don't buy a new car and you will be fine.

Morris460
14-05-14, 08:08 AM
Read that at the end of last week and meant to post it up.
I'm still trying to take in the implications of the whole thing.

Is there anything at all that seems beneficial that comes from the EU?

Talk about controlling everyones lives! Jeez.

Nothing to do with the EU, it's global. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-bypasses-congress-mandate-black-boxes-all-cars-beginning-14


(http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-bypasses-congress-mandate-black-boxes-all-cars-beginning-14)

Morris460
14-05-14, 08:41 AM
Perhaps worth reading how it actually works as compared to the Daily Fail's hysterical poorly researched cr*p
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/ecall-time-saved-lives-saved

Blackpopracing
14-05-14, 10:37 AM
As eCall normally 'sleeps', it does not allow vehicle tracking outside emergencies.

Seems benign then.........................but! they could make it stay awake in the future?

yellacar
14-05-14, 10:49 AM
Some new ford cars call the emergency services if a phone is connected through blue tooth, but no tracking. Although I think the phoning bit is a good idea, the tracking is defiantly big brother. In this day and age most cars with airbags fitted deploy at about 15 Mph I believe, How long before the emergency services get fed up to turning out to point less no injury accidents. I would like to hear the big chiefs of the emergency services comments on this as every turn out costs money some way or another and with cost cuts in public services these days there comments should be interesting.

Cheers Ian

Morris460
14-05-14, 10:57 AM
Good point about the pointless turnouts.
Makes you wonder if they have thought this through:whistle:

Blackpopracing
14-05-14, 12:55 PM
EU thinking things through?....don't make me laugh!!

Russ
14-05-14, 06:40 PM
if you must keep up with the jones' and buy a new car , take the sim out