advise needed please guys

[phil elky 383]

i have just recently purchased a 1977 el camino with let's just say has all the right bits on so as not to show it's self up on the 1/4. my car is still on its way from the us (torture waiting) so i thought i would have a look around for a club / forum to join NSRA soon was at the top of the list so i payed my membership and joined ,while doing this i supplied all requested details of my imminent car which is 1977 el camino
Question is there seems to be a lot of reference on here to the forum rules etc regarding age of cars pre 1972 now all my details supplied are for 1977 SO have i joined the right club ? because i wana be coming to events etc and don't want to be told sorry mate your car is only 40 yrs old it's too young.
some clarification on my problem would be much appreciated phil

[BaronVonVVankel]

..to join NHRA..

Is that a typo error? NHRA?.. i take it you mean NSRA?

[mikey d]

Take a look at the Supernats etc picture threads, I don't think you've got anything to worry about. Just don't try to join the VHRA lol.. :nsra:

[BaronVonVVankel]

Get some ELC383L reg plates made up and hope the guy on the showfield gate doesnt know the difference between a 72 and a 77 [:D]

Who said that?... wasnt me :whistle:

[BaronVonVVankel]

Sorry.. you said 'clarification'.

It wouldnt stop you from going to NSRA events, you can go in a brand new motorhome if you want (one or two people do), but it has been known that post 72 cars have sometimes been refused entry to the showfield.. it just depends how rigorously its being enforced.

[phil elky 383]

yeh that is a spelling mistake , i did look at the pics before i joined this made me think it would be ok with a 77 but then read a bit and wasn't sure ! i think the barons got the best solution i'll check the dvla out tomoz

[Brizey]

Read the contents of this link Phil, it lays out the NSRA criteria which is pre 1972! > http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/showthread.php?26177-NSRA-vehicle-criteria-(revised-April-2009) ... it`s actually the page above yours near the top in the rodding discussion forum...

[phil elky 383]

cheers brizey , well i did read that too but after supplying comprehensive details of my car and age when my members card came through and i was given access to this forum i simply assumed that the mediators had accepted me and my car to the club

phil

[BaronVonVVankel]

You dont have to own a pre-72 car to join.. Quote from the NSRA website: 'NSRA membership is open to anyone with an interest in Rods & Customs, whether or not you currently own one'.

http://www.nsra.org.uk/gallery/files/7/4/6/1/nsra_website.jpg

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the way I've always seen it is pre72 on the show field. anything can go in the camping area.

[phil elky 383]

well on the show field and other activities associated with owning a car is what want to do so it appears there has been a mistake made by who ? well iam not sure it could be me may be , but as i say supplying details and then being accepted i supply assumed there was some lee way on the age of the vehicle . So please could one of the powers at be put me out of my misery and tell me, because just becoming an owner i want be involved on the show feild etc and as most club events are at the weekend i won't be able to be at two places at once

phil

[BaronVonVVankel]

For the record.. Im most definitely NOT 'the powers that be' :) but i think that if you had put your vehicle down as a brand new 2017 Holden Ute SS then your membership application would still have been accepted.. as i said.. You dont have to own a pre-72 car to join.. Quote from the NSRA website: 'NSRA membership is open to anyone with an interest in Rods & Customs, whether or not you currently own one'.

[phil elky 383]

holden ss? they from aus! ( i had one while i was in nz 550hp fastest thing i ever drove)but i get what your saying but would say that if specific criteria is set out for the "car" to be involved and mine isn't UNLESS THE MEADIATORS MAKE AN EXCEPTION surely they should of informed me regarding the car entry etc.

[BaronVonVVankel]

holden ss? they from aus!

Not any more they aint - http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/showthread.php?73446-Another-one-bites-the-dust


i get what your saying but would say that if specific criteria is set out for the "car" to be involved and mine isn't UNLESS THE MEDIATORS MAKE AN EXCEPTION

I believe the only exception to the rule (i hope ive got this right) would be if your car was a 73/74/75 and had not been updated in appearance by the manufacturer in any way from the 72 model (it would be a bit daft if a 72 was ok but an identical 73 or 74 wasnt). Thats unfortunately not the case with the El Camino as they moved onto a whole new generation in 73, a complete redesign from the 72 model.


surely they should of informed me regarding the car entry etc.

Hmm.. that would require them to realise that you were not aware of the pre-72 rule. I cant really comment.

[BaronVonVVankel]

Its still a cool car.. bring it to the Supernats, cruise around the site all weekend, enjoy the Saturday drive out.. have fun.. Just be aware that you might not be able to sneak it onto the Sunday showfield. Theres always 'power parking' opportunities along the access roadway. I didnt put my 32 on the Sunday showfield this year, i left it on the campsite.

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/14109-1977-Chevrolet-El-Camino.jpg

[phil elky 383]

err where did you that of my elk from???

[BaronVonVVankel]

err where did you that of my elk from???

:D You are joking right?

random googled pic off the ww.interweb thingy

[BaronVonVVankel]

err where did you that of my elk from???

Rumbled.. im really Agent Von Vvankel FBI.. keeping an eye on whos taking our historic vehicles out of the Country..

So look after those Yankee motors you limeys or youre gonna have Uncle Sam to answer to. :)

[phil elky 383]

yep that's my camino but it's not historical enough!!!

[BaronVonVVankel]

yep that's my camino!!!

:eek: **** me!

[BaronVonVVankel]

Hold on a minute.. if i can get this shipping container open i will post a pic of it on the boat for you.

Of course, back in the States the cut off date for the NSRA is 1949.

[martin]

You'll be welcome at any of the events, your El Camino would be welcome at any car show, but, might, only might not get onto the show field at an NSRA event.

I would say enjoy the car, enjoy the shows, enjoy driving it, just don't worry if you can't put it onto the show field.

Oh yes, is this the club for you, I'd say so.

I know it's a long way for you, but the AGM is next Month, come along & ask the question about your car, or write in so the question can be asked for you.

Martin

[BaronVonVVankel]

I know it's a long way for you, but the AGM is next Month, come along & ask the question

Food fight!.. whoever wins gets to set the cutoff date.

[Brizey]

..........Of course, back in the States the cut off date for the NSRA is 1949.
I think the American NSRA cut-off date was extended past the old pre `49 cut-off date to include vehicles 30 years old or older...

[BaronVonVVankel]

I think the American NSRA cut-off date was extended past the old pre `49 cut-off date to include vehicles 30 years old or older...

Huh?.. 1987 IROC's & Foxbody's in the NSRA.. that cant be right can it?

No mention of that on their website.. http://www.nsra-usa.com/Members/ 'By definition a street rod is: An automobile of 1948 or earlier manufacture which has undergone some type of modernization'... 'the street rod can be whatever he wants it to be, as long as the basic vehicle was manufactured prior to 1949'.

[martin]

Huh?.. 1987 IROC's & Foxbody's in the NSRA.. that cant be right can it?

No mention of that on their website.. http://www.nsra-usa.com/Members/ 'By definition a street rod is: An automobile of 1948 or earlier manufacture which has undergone some type of modernization'... 'the street rod can be whatever he wants it to be, as long as the basic vehicle was manufactured prior to 1949'.


http://www.nsra-usa.com/Events/Southeast/NSRA_Southeast_EventInfo.pdf

[BaronVonVVankel]

http://www.nsra-usa.com/Events/Southeast/NSRA_Southeast_EventInfo.pdf

2017 SOUTHEAST STREET ROD NATIONALS FLORIDA - ALL VEHICLES OF 1987 AND EARLIER MANUFACTURE ARE WELCOME TO ENTER THE EVENT.

:eek: What the hell!!!.. tell me its not true! :confused:

Other event details still say pre 49.. is this a regional level decision?

[martin]

Looks like that's the only show showing at the moment, but I believe all the shows are now allowing late model cars, it was to get younger people involved, & to make money.
Remember this is a business over there.

[BaronVonVVankel]

There you go then Phil Elky 383.. get along to the AGM and put the case forward for a forty year old cut off based on the NSRA USA having sold out and gone to a thirty year old cut off... Ive not been to the AGM myself... do you have to 'table a motion' beforehand? or can you just go along and bring something like this up on the day?

I cant believe that... i bet it wont be long before theres a new pre-49 or similar (maybe pre-69) organisation in America and i predict large numbers of NSRA members jumping ship.

[BaronVonVVankel]

Let me re-phrase that.. 'put the case forward for a forty year old FIXED cut off.. i.e. 1977'.. NOT a rolling forty year cut off please.

At least its only a five year increase, not a thirty eight year jump! what are they thinking of?.. As you say Martin.. money!.. i think it could backfire on them.

77 is about as far as you can go without getting into the plastic bumper era (unlike 87), ok so GM started using plastic deformable noses as early as the 68 GTO but i cant see anyone objecting to GTO, Corvette & Firebird plastic noses on the showfield, its not quite the same thing as modern plastic bumpers. Not everyone will agree though.

Good luck with the voting :)

[phil elky 383]

A G M yeh that sounds a good idea iam not sure i'll be able to make it but would certainly put a motion forward. I know there has to be a cut off date but it would seem to me that if you wanted more club members with cars that can partake in all activities a later date would be favourable not( just for me ) but everyone because as more people get the cars pre 72 they get less easy to find therefore putting a higher value on cars and pricing people out of affording a car.
Yes my car is newer but ultimately it has a similar blood line to the older cars pre 72 and would not have been built with the spec it has if it wasn't for hot rods that started all them years ago. Perhaps 1977 would be a good cut off considering this is the year in the new legislation that is coming into force next year.

[phil elky 383]

well the weekend has gone by 1100+ views lots of opinions thanks for them but no definitive answer which i thought i might of got it’s almost like nobody wants to say or are you just thinking it’s in black and white at the top of the page ?

[Glyn]

Phil, as has been mentioned before, you would be more than welcome to attend and enjoy any of the NSRA events with your car but unfortunately wouldn't be allowed on the showfield because your car doesn't fall within the criteria of the club.

From the home page it clearly state the following "Membership of the NSRA is available to everyone. You don’t have to own a car – all we ask is that you have an interest in hot rods and street rods." So membership is based on this alone. You could own a ford fiesta but as long as you have an interest in the cars that the club promotes then you would be included within the club and the shows.

The NSRA, in my opinion, is a great club and very inclusive but there has to be some limit on which vehicles it excepts otherwise you dilute why the club was originally formed. This is true of any club or association.

I do understand your frustrations but you have to accept some responsibility for not fully reading up on the club before joining. It is written on the 'about us' bit of the website.

[BaronVonVVankel]

well the weekend has gone by 1100+ views lots of opinions thanks for them but no definitive answer which i thought i might of got it’s almost like nobody wants to say or are you just thinking it’s in black and white at the top of the page ?

Yes, im thinking its in black and white, the cut off for the UK NSRA is currently 1972 (but you dont have to own a pre-72 to join).

Rules can be changed though, i believe via a vote at the AGM.. however im not entirely sure what the exact procedure is, maybe someone who does could clarify that?

If you ask me this photograph is a pretty good argument for considering a change to a 77 cutoff or 'pre-78'...

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/14109-1977-Chevrolet-El-Camino.jpg

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it's got to stay pre 72.

[martin]

Details of the AGM were in the last Gasser magazine.

[BaronVonVVankel]

Not everyone will agree though. Good luck with the voting :)


it's got to stay pre 72.

[:D] Told ya


Details of the AGM were in the last Gasser magazine.

So they are!..

All members can ask for any item to be placed on the agenda for a full discussion at the meeting, by informing the Chair in writing at least 3 weeks prior to the event. Please note, you do not have to attend the AGM to have an item discussed.

That means Sue needs to receive it in writing this week!!

[BaronVonVVankel]

I think the American NSRA cut-off date was extended past the old pre `49 cut-off date to include vehicles 30 years old or older...

Billy Gibbons will be pleased now he can go to the Nats in his Jimmy Shine built 'Grocery Getter' :D

http://bestclassicbands.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Billy-Gibbons-Discovery-Series.png

https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/13129208_1724188344504472_7798633_n.jpg?ig_cache_k ey=MTI0MjA3MTUzNTg3MTgwOTgwNQ%3D%3D.2

[mitch]

There is a club that caters for your car it’s the can am American car club .


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Pre 77 would include these beauties.

[martin]

A few years ago a number if members wanted the cut off date changed to 1949, the "official" hot rod cut off date, & that was kicked into touch, so good luck with trying for 1977.

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[mitch]

Instead of thinking of extending cutoff date we should be going the other way 1960 would be late enough not a lot built after that that has much to do with hot or street rods .surely quality is more important than quantity ?or maybe not[emoji848]


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[MisteR Tee]

Apparently not! :thumbsup2:

[kapri]

FFS , not all this old balls again when we are at a time when everyone should be pulling together NOT alienating each other further. Was nothing learned from the last time it was decided to 'clarify' membership requirements . If anyone wants to start a pre '60 only rod club or whatever but lets not have more trying to change a long established club into something it was never meant to be to suit ' your' agenda ...and that is directed at everyone.

[BaronVonVVankel]

A few years ago a number if members wanted the cut off date changed to 1949, the "official" hot rod cut off date, & that was kicked into touch, so good luck with trying for 1977.

I remember that. If that was to fall into line with our colonial friends then we would now be looking to change to 1987 and rolling :no:

If a motion is put forward it will be voted on.. end of.. simples.. no drama.

[BaronVonVVankel]

Pre 77 would include these beauties.

Hey!.. steady!.. theres three of British Leylands finest in among those! :) Makes you proud to be British.

To be fair, the existing pre-72 potentially allows in all sorts of horrors but we dont have a field full of Maxis at Old Warden.

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the thing is their are clubs for every type of vehicle out their. don't dilute what a club is all about by trying to cover every type of vehicle out their. some things are best left alone.

[BaronVonVVankel]

some things are best left alone.

I suspect that the majority of members will agree with you.

[BaronVonVVankel]

..to fall into line with our colonial friends then we would now be looking to change to 1987 and rolling :no:

One mans surprisingly positive outlook on the US year change that i just bumped into while wandering around the internet.. https://fuelcurve.com/goodguys-raise-cutoff-year-1987/


If a motion is put forward it will be voted on.. end of.. simples.. no drama.

And if one isnt put forward it wont be voted on :rolleyes:

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Case closed.

[randrhotrodimports]

Yea but i want to park my 1980 Corvette in the pre 49 field next to my mate !!!! lol
the thing is their are clubs for every type of vehicle out their. don't dilute what a club is all about by trying to cover every type of vehicle out their. some things are best left alone.

[Blackpopracing]

If its rodded well does it matter much what the base material is??

Just as well drag racing does not have these cut off rules.

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Drag racing does have cut of rules.