we can now move further down the body as the roof is DONE! here's some pics.
neil.
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we can now move further down the body as the roof is DONE! here's some pics.
neil.
Looks really good Neil, another bit crossed of the list mate. [emoji106]
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thanks Tim, yes that was the least 'inviting' part of the whole job i must say. it was a challenge but it worked out which is always good.
neil.
the worst (o/s) side of the 'c' pillar/door shut/quarter panel repairs is now done. i forgot the before pics so here's a couple of the n/s which isn't as bad and the finished o/s. it was easier to cut a section of the gutter away to gain access to the pillar then just make a new bit of gutter. we'll do the same the other side too.
neil.
Looks tidy Neil. [emoji106]
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thanks Tim, it was lots of small bits shaped and welded in place, both below the surface and what you can see. still, we know what to expect on the other side now.
neil.
so here's the n/s 'after' shots, lol.
neil.
Spot on Neil. [emoji106]
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cheers Tim, it shouldn't need much filler/mud/plop/bondo to sort it from here :thumbs_up_smiley:
neil.
first job today was rehang the driver's door now the gutter above it's done. now we're finally onto the sills. so i thought about the tall stands as they were before and decided we'd leave the left side on the lift and use all 4 stands on the right side. this works much better and feels a lot more 'stable'. that left the arms still only 18" ish from the car but that was easily sorted by simply pulling their pivot pins and putting the arms against the wall out of the way. now there's easy access to the whole side of the car at a decent working height so let the cutting begin, lol.
neil.
Nice and safe mate that's the only way to do it. Good luck with the sills Neil. [emoji106]
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cheers Tim, yes it's much better now. as for the sills, it's only metal ;)
neil.
[emoji23][emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by mygasser
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well i said it's only metal, and it might have been once :whistle:. now it's mostly rust and old bad patch jobs probably done for mots in the past. on the plus side the driver's side is mostly now cut away with only the inner sill to cut from the floor and outriggers before a clean up then start fitting the new panels. oh and remember i said we refitted the drivers door? yeah we took both doors off today to get better access to cut the sills off. we also added some box bracing to stop the body going all floppy with no sills.
neil.
Sounds like you've got a job on Neil, I'm sure you'll sort it mate. [emoji106]
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yes mate but as i said before do one bit move on to the next and it soon gets done.
today my 3ft led lights arrived. pack of 10 for under £80, not bad. we've swapped out 3 existing tube lights and added another each side and bugger me it's bright now. we'll swap 2 more tubes and put an led over the lathe and see how we are then. should've done this years ago :whistle:http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/imag...ABAAEAAAIBRAA7
neil.
I should send for one of those then Neil, I've always been told I'm not the brightest [emoji23]
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why do you think i got them? :lol:
neil.
we had a very productive day today. the rest of the old cr4p was cut away, cleaned up and both the inner sill and centre membrane are now welded on. next is rehang the doors..... again, then we can tack the outer sill in place before removing both doors........ again, to fully weld the outer sill. it's getting there ;).
neil.
ps, spot the 2 missing plug welds :whistle:. we'll do them before grinding them all flat ready to clamp the sill in place.
Nice work mate. [emoji106]
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Looking good Neil. You made a nice job of the roof and pillars.
cheers, it's coming along. today was pretty successful too. first a grind up of all the welds where the outer sill will attach followed by rehanging the doors. that was easier said than done with the car 4 feet in the air on stands. plus the moveable bolt plates in the doors aren't in those boxes so would fall inside the door as they were held up into position. we ended up wedging the doors in place with screwdrivers through the hinges and door then climbing into the car to wiggle the bolts through and fitting the nuts. next a bit of trimming to the sill where it comes up against the 'a' and 'b' pillars before clamping and welding it in place. that's where we're at now, the doors are staying on 'til the arch is done so the welding around the pillar bottoms to the sill will wait 'til after that.
neil.
That looks so much better for working on being waist height mate. [emoji106]
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Said the world's tallest man, with the 4 foot waist height......... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by v8pop
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Its nice to see a Mk2 where the doors look in the right place against the bottom of the sill line. Always a good way to tell a good one from a bad one
Great Work
Mal
Okay so mines 3 foot 7... Waist ish height [emoji23][emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Happydaze
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S'pose waist height is a variable thing.......
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is that waist band or waste land? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by v8pop
and once the door bottoms are done they won't have the standard mk2 bulging corners either ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by malstbird
we just got the doors set with even gaps all round then made the sill fit to the doors, methodical common sense stuff but some just don't seem to bother.
neil.
today we started by cleaning up the pigeon sh1t welding from the lower 1/4 and repair panel and cleco-ing it in place. then we shrunk/stretched the arch to fit the curve of the 1/4 and door/sill and cleco-ed it on so we could measure up for the door shut infill. this was cut, folded and shrunk/stretched to fit and tacked in place. last job was welding the inner wheel tub to the outer 1/4 panel. there are some small infills needed before the arch goes on for good but it's nearly there.
neil.
Nice work Neil, going to look well tidy when it's finished mate. [emoji106]
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thanks Tim, i think it's worth the extra bit of time making sure all the rot's cut out even though it can look scary once it's gone, lol.
neil.
Yeah, I've had that OMG is that all that's left moment before [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by mygasser
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yes mate, more than a few times too :eek:.
ok, the arch is finally on for good. the lower 1/4 was first to go on and that's done. then with the arch cleco-ed on we made several (numbered and directional, don't want to get them wrong) templates to go from the inner wheel well/body out to meet the arch. these were remade in steel and welded in place. the arch is not tacked all round so only needs final welding along with the inner plates to the arch too. last job for today was to make up more templates, then steel plates which were welded in to close off the bottom of the 'c' pillar/door shut. once the welding's finished it's just a big grind up and it's done, woohoo. well that bit anyway :rolleyes:.
neil.
that's it, it's done! well that corner anyway, lol. the arch is now all welded inside and out, the underneath will get some seam sealer before whatever finish is applied there but that's not on the job list here. the doors can come off for repair now so they'll be going over the road 'til the body has gone back to rob's house. next and lastly this side, the bottom of the 'a' and 'b' pillars will be fully welded and the 'kick panel' to floor repair. then the wheels go back on so it can be turned round to do the other side and rear end work.
neil.
Well tidy job Neil, he'll be well chuffed mate.[emoji106]
Cheers Tim W
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thanks Tim, he should be mate. as always these jobs take longer than expected and are more involved than expected and we do job price not hourly rate so it's down to us if we spend more time making it 'right'. be daft not to though.
neil.
nearly there this side, just the bottom of the 'a' post/kick panel area to do. first job today was remove the doors for the last time while it's here, then fully weld the bottoms of the 'a' and 'b' posts to the new sill and grind down all the welds inc' the spot welds top and bottom of the sill.
lastly see the 2nd pic and look back to the 'same' pic in the previous post, can you spot the difference? it was something that needed to be done but had so far slipped through the net :whistle:. can you see what it is yet? ;)
neil.
Check that the wheel goes round?
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nope, it's part of the welding.
keep guessing, lol.
Looking very well Neil, and I think the quiz answer is where the arch joins the sill, the continuous arc to it at the bottom. If I've explained it right.
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hi Tim, if you mean the bit the door rubber (glued to the door) seals against then yes. with the increased radius and height of the new arch it was lost half way between the sill and the 'c' post. a new bit folded and curved to suit is now in place. there'd be a nasty draught if it wasn't there for the seal to press against so had to be done.
neil.
Think we're talking about the same bit Neil. [emoji106]
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first off i don't want any cr4p about no pictures so button it :lol:.
the car is now back on the 2 post lift and all but the o/s/f wheels are back on. the n/s/r arch had to be cut to get the wheel on of course. the driver's 'a' panel/end of sill area has had all the rot cut out and templates are made ready to be transferred to steel. once that's done tomorrow it's going back on the ground, woohoo :thumbs_up_smiley:. pics tomorrow once we're done with the above.
neil.
Coming on Neil, not sure if it's my phone but the pictures didn't come out [emoji2960] ... I'll get my coat.
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:grind::beat::weld:........... better? :whistle::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by v8pop
neil.
Ha ha [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by mygasser
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ok so i know i said tomorrow but that was the day before yesterday making today the day after tomorrow but yesterday today would've been tomorrow so it is technically tomorrow today even though tomorrow is actually now...... well tomorrow. clear?
the last corner is done and it now sits on it's wheels again, although technically not 'again' as these wheels weren't on it before so are new to this car but it's wearing them now and on the ground again. ash is coming round with his recovery truck tomorrow (here we go again, lol) or saturday (the day after tomorrow) to turn it round so we can do it all again on the n/s. oh joy.
neil.
Well Neil, no matter what day it is it still looks the bollies mate. Well done. [emoji106]
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thanks Tim, i recon we're just over 1/2 way now. we're going to get some 2k epoxy primer on the bare steel bits in case it's raining when ash comes to turn it round.
neil.
it's tomorrow already and as if by majic the primer's all over the bare steel and it's back in the garage the other way round! we gave 2 coats to inside the gutters for more protection. not really, it was to use up the mixed 2k rather than waste it but you'd have believed me if i hadn't told you ;). and there's even a pic to confirm the deed :whistle:
neil.
ps in this pic with it in primer it's one of those things like the roof, unless you parked it next to a stock car (or were a zephyr zodiac nerd) you wouldn't notice the vw t25 wheel arch that's there now.
Nice work Neil :thumbs_up_smiley:
thanks, it's getting there :)
neil.
As I said earlier Neil looks brilliant. [emoji106]
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cheers Tim :thumbs_up_smiley:
Looking good good. I wish I could work so fast, maybe its because I've got a smaller er.. argon bottle.
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thanks Chris :thumbs_up_smiley:
we haven't stopped, honest. it's up in the air again with the n/s on stands this time. doors are off for the first time and 90% of the sill panels are chopped off.
neil.
Oh err missus. [emoji106]
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this is the 'easy' side Tim, i know where to cut what and how it all fits together now. :thumbs_up_smiley:
neil.
Aye, I suppose it is mate. [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by mygasser
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today we finished trimming off the remnants of the old n/s sill panels along with the 'kick' panel/floor area and removal of a now rusted through previous bad repair. then confirming placement using the o/s the new inner sill was welded on. the centre membrane is mocked up to check for any trimming required but this side is fine as we had to cut out more rot this side, lol.
neil.
Getting there Neil [emoji106]
Cheers Tim W
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yes mate, one bit at a time.
neil.
today we welded the membrane panel on and flatted the welds ready for the outer sill. this is now clamped in place with the doors rehung to sort the gaps. the sill will next come off for the holes to be punched along the top and bottom ready to be welded in place. then the floor and kick panel areas will be done before moving on to the arch. it's getting there.
neil.
[emoji106]
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the outer sill is now welded on and a start's made on the floor by the 'a' post. not much worthy of pics as it's much like the o/s but worse, lol. the n/s front door is a good 3/16" deeper than the rear door so it's marked as a reminder to make the new bottom repair panel slightly shorter. it lines up from the top down through all the body lines but extends further at the bottom for some reason. maybe it's been done before but wrong, who knows?
neil.
That sounds familiar, different sizes on different sides Neil.
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the n/s sill, 'a' post and floor areas are done now. next is the hole in the rear footwell, the wheelarch and the lower 1/4 panel. there's no repair panel for the 1/4 this side so it'll have to be made from sheet.
neil.
Good day in the office Neil.
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the rest of the outer arch is now removed and we've been mocking up the new one after extending it to match the other one. much measuring and marking later of both the o/s 1/4 and wheel arch as well as the o/s/r door we'd cut for clearance it became apparent this car's different side to side by 1/4". setting the new arch at the same height down from the swage line it was lower over the wheel/tyre. measurement then moved to jag axle location on the shell and luckily this appears to be ok. good old 60's fords ......
so we moved the arch up to give the same wheel/tyre/arch 'look' and it seems that's where it'll end up. a different wheel to arch 'gappage' would show more than the arch to swage line measurement being 1/4" less so that's decided then.
neil.
Yeah, they knew how to make them unique in the 60s Neil [emoji2] nice work mate it's looking great.
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they sure did Tim, but we like a challenge.
i'm really pleased with the look of the vw arches though, better than i imagined.
neil.
So you should be Neil, it looks wikid mate [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by mygasser
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with expressed panels looking at sometime mid may for the n/s lower 1/4 panel it's blue peter time, lol. so out with the cardboard, pens, scissors, sticky tape and tape measure and mark the new o/s panel and attach ribs to it with cross pieces slotted to them to hold it all together. once it was taped rigid we carefully cut it from the car, took it all apart and reassembled it 'inside out' as it were. now we have a skeletal mould to fit the shaped metal to that'll be pretty close to the stamped part on the other side, that's the plan anyway.
neil.
ps excuse mu helpers, they thought it was all most educational ;)
Nice going Neil, helps help mate in any form [emoji16]
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they always make me smile mate :DQuote:
Originally Posted by v8pop
neil.
making the lower 1/4 panel went well but not as expected. the sheet steel we're using is too thick to practically 'wheel' into shape, unless we wanted to spend a week making this panel. however it's made and cleco'd in place (all 3 parts of it) ready to be tacked together. we dished a lump of 4x2 and worked the tighter curves mostly with that, leaving the larger section with gentler curves to the english wheel. we'll remove it once tacked together and add a lip to the inner panel before stripping any paint, filler etc ready for final fitment which'll include joddling the panel for a flush fit as per the other side.
neil.
ps ignore the temporary 'tabs' cleco'd at the bottom, they just hold the 3 parts in the right place 'til they're tacked together.
Looking good so far Neil, never an easy job mate. [emoji106]
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cheers Tim.
and there it was done, well the 1/4 anyway. we folded, shaped and welded some angle to the bottom of the inner 1/4 to provide a lip to weld the new outer 1/4 to along the bottom. we also trimmed and tacked the inner arch to the outer skin to keep the skin in place when the arch's welded on. just need to add some more curve to the back end of the arch to match the new 1/4, just like we did the other side. this side is very close to completion now, then it's just the back panel and door bottoms to complete the welding. he now wants a steering rack conversion before it goes back but that shouldn't take too long.
neil.